Spoilers Daredevil: Born Again (Spoilers)

A lot of the touch sight things were pushing hard on what I expect from the blind superhero with amazing other senses.

I was a bit thrown in the last Muse one by Matt's touch face reading matching up to the touch face reading of the 2e paintings to get the recognition. Those don't seem to match up plausibly. Also I would expect more taking off the armor gloves to do sensitive touch analysis stuff.

Even the Punisher logo on the shell casing. It looked painted on to me, not etched, so it seemed like it was a missed opportunity for him to get someone's help on the details and reinforce that he is actually blind instead of effectively not in every situation.
 

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NOTE: I did not read the thread because I was avoiding Spoilers.

I finally finished it and overall I think it was in the "Pretty Good" camp -- but nowhere near the quality of the Netflix iteration. I think it had trouble deciding whether it was that show, or a MCU show. this was especially apparent in the disconnect between the roof swinging and the hand to hand combat.

I will say that the cast was top notch overall. And it was really good to see
Frank
back at the end there.
 


A lot of the touch sight things were pushing hard on what I expect from the blind superhero with amazing other senses.

I was a bit thrown in the last Muse one by Matt's touch face reading matching up to the touch face reading of the 2e paintings to get the recognition. Those don't seem to match up plausibly. Also I would expect more taking off the armor gloves to do sensitive touch analysis stuff.

Even the Punisher logo on the shell casing. It looked painted on to me, not etched, so it seemed like it was a missed opportunity for him to get someone's help on the details and reinforce that he is actually blind instead of effectively not in every situation.
But his sense of touch is that sensitive. This has been well established for years in the comics. He can actually read standard print using his touch.
 


But his sense of touch is that sensitive. This has been well established for years in the comics. He can actually read standard print using his touch.
No, that's not the issue.

The issue is, as frankly any artist who has worked with that kind of paint knows, that the contours of the paint DO NOT match up with the shape of the image.

This was obvious even in the TV show - you could see that the way the paint was piled/layered/contoured in places absolutely did not match up with the shape of the image! This is absolutely normal!

So whilst it might be plausible for him to detect a charcoal or pencil drawing with "super-touch" (as there the marks and grooves will match up quite well with the actual image), or a very simple child's painting directly on to paper/canvas (with the paper acting as white space, rather than being completely covered), it would absolutely not, remotely be possible for him to read oil painting or most acrylic paintings that way.

I thought it was kind of stupid myself, because why not make it a charcoal drawing, which he could read with super-touch? Instead they chose to make it what looked like oil paint (possibly acrylic but I don't think so), and make it so it was very lumpy but NOT in the shape of the actual image!

So that just absolutely doesn't work. Whether it's a failure on the imagination of the old showrunner, the new showrunner, or just a failure of the props department, I can't say. But it's a failure.

Yeah, colour is about the only real issue.
No, see above. I'm a classically trained fine artist and I have a lot of experience with this.

I was a bit thrown in the last Muse one by Matt's touch face reading matching up to the touch face reading of the 2e paintings to get the recognition. Those don't seem to match up plausibly. Also I would expect more taking off the armor gloves to do sensitive touch analysis stuff.

Even the Punisher logo on the shell casing. It looked painted on to me, not etched, so it seemed like it was a missed opportunity for him to get someone's help on the details and reinforce that he is actually blind instead of effectively not in every situation.
Yeah in both cases it was just weird/dumb, like they'd forgotten how his powers worked, or just hadn't thought them through, and were treating him as if he were sighted but merely achromatic or something.

I finally finished it and overall I think it was in the "Pretty Good" camp -- but nowhere near the quality of the Netflix iteration. I think it had trouble deciding whether it was that show, or a MCU show. this was especially apparent in the disconnect between the roof swinging and the hand to hand combat.
Same.

I think the issue is, it was made as an MCU series, Disney got people to watch it, realized they'd screwed up bigtime, fired the showrunner, hired an entirely new and different showrunner, and got him to do massive reshoots (including Foggy and Karen being involved at all!), but from that showrunner has said, it seems like the majority of the footage (or perhaps just the more expensive scenes? Unclear) is still from the pre-reshoots version (I daresay the entire "bank robbery" episode was a basically unaltered look at what the MCU version was like).

Hopefully this means we could see a very large improvement in S2, if it's made as "actually a Daredevil series", rather than MCU-ized version.
 

But his sense of touch is that sensitive. This has been well established for years in the comics. He can actually read standard print using his touch.
For the bullet casing sure super super sensitive touch could match up a painted outline to recognize it as a skull outline image.

But the very thin 3d feeling of the painting surface is not going to match a 3d felt face. It doesn't matter how sensitive the touch feeling they are different 3d shapes being felt, it is only the 2d images of both that look similar to eyesight.
 

I was expecting to see some gratitude from Fisk for taking the bullet, the immediate ordering of Matt's death was a surprise. Cold blooded.
 

No, see above. I'm a classically trained fine artist and I have a lot of experience with this.
You don't have experience having his level of touch sensitivity. It might not line up, just as his vision doesn't. But after a lifetime of dealing with it, he would have developed his own sense of such things. They simplified it for the show, just as they simplify his vision to just being there.
 

Can anyone remind me of the provenance of the slightly blood-spattered white canvass at the end at Fisk's triumph among cages dinner?

I really enjoyed the vague shadow art that Fisk was taken by and its match in the prison wall in the first series alongside what he was getting out of the deep felt art appreciation and for what it evoked in him.
 

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