Spoilers Daredevil: Born Again (Spoilers)

[Maxperson]

In times like these a refine comes to mind "It's just a show; I should really just relax."

No man. Marvel is life! The order of things is water, salt, Marvel, food, sleep...

 

[Ruin Explorer]

object reading

My issue is that object reading (psychometry) is a psychic power, and if he's supposed to have that, fine (odd that doesn't use it at other times though), but they're implying it's just super-touch, which is something rather different.

The difference? Bullseye doesn't have a super power. He mundanely trained to do his spit a tooth through a skull trick.

I don't think that's true in the show. At all. It's also NOT true in the comics, I note! It might, long ago, have been true in the comics, but see here in the wikipedia entry.

"Bullseye possesses the innate and uncanny ability to use almost any object as a lethal projectile"

I draw your attention to words "innate" - meaning he was born with it (i.e. it's neither training nor Maybelline) and "uncanny" meaning it is supernatural in nature.

So you're flatly wrong there re: "trained" and mundane". Both points are immediately directly refuted and there's no debate to be had! It's rare and refreshing to have such clarity I'd say!

 

[Maxperson]

I don't think that's true in the show. At all. It's also NOT true in the comics, I note! It might, long ago, have been true in the comics, but see here in the wikipedia entry.

"Bullseye possesses the innate and uncanny ability to use almost any object as a lethal projectile"

I draw your attention to words "innate" - meaning he was born with it (i.e. it's neither training nor Maybelline) and "uncanny" meaning it is supernatural in nature.

So you're flatly wrong there re: "trained" and mundane". Both points are immediately directly refuted and there's no debate to be had! It's rare and refreshing to have such clarity I'd say!

It's true in both. In the show he took his innate ability(like Usain Bolt's innate speed and Shohei Ohtani's innate ability at baseball) and trained with it to become better. It's innate talent, not a super power like Daredevil's. If you do a bit of research, you'll see that what I am saying is correct.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

It's true in both. In the show he took his innate ability(like Usain Bolt's innate speed and Shohei Ohtani's innate ability at baseball) and trained with it to become better. It's innate talent, not a super power like Daredevil's. If you do a bit of research, you'll see that what I am saying is correct.

LOL it literally isn't true, and the Wikipedia entry completely refutes your claim that it's "mundane" and "trained", so I'm not going to argue this. You're obviously wrong and there's nothing more to it as far as I can see. You want to drop in a link to some lore confirming your position, great, but literally the first information says the exact and precise opposite of what you're claiming.

 

[Maxperson]

LOL it literally isn't true, and the Wikipedia entry completely refutes your claim that it's "mundane" and "trained", so I'm not going to argue this. You're obviously wrong and there's nothing more to it as far as I can see. You want to drop in a link to some lore confirming your position, great, but literally the first information says the exact and precise opposite of what you're claiming.

So you don't want to do the research. Got it. You're going to continue to incorrectly conflate innate talent(skill) with super power. I guess I can't help you there. Carry on!

 

[Ruin Explorer]

So you don't want to do the research. Got it. You're going to continue to incorrectly conflate innate talent(skill) with super power. I guess I can't help you there. Carry on!

LOL come on man, it literally says right there "innate" and "uncanny". Words have meaning. That you're not even suggesting where I would "do the research" seems pretty significant to me, too. Like, where is it I'm supposed to find this out? Do I need to read every single comic he's even been in? Do I need to time-travel to the library of Alexandria to find a time-lost copy of Daredevil where his origin is explained? Because the obvious places say it's supernatural.

Let's look at the Fandom entry:

"Bullseye - shadowy assassin with mysterious origins who possesses supernatural throwing skills."

"Bullseye can accomplish many feats with thrown projectiles that is at a degree of superhuman."

Supernatural and superhuman, again, very clear.

So I ask you once more, where may I find the mystic guidance that will show the abilities are not supernatural despite the main places saying they are?

EDIT - The only other stuff I can find is things saying it's explicitly not known how he got his powers, yet you're claiming they were trained and aren't supernatural? Which must mean you believe there's a specific source which says that.

 

[Ryujin]

Wikipedia isn't the best source for such information, when there are comics specific sources available. Marvel.com, for example, makes no claims about any of that. In fact not a lot of information exists about Bullseye's origins, as he's a notable liar about such things.

 

[Maxperson]

LOL come on man, it literally says right there "innate" and "uncanny". Words have meaning. That you're not even suggesting where I would "do the research" seems pretty significant to me, too. Like, where is it I'm supposed to find this out? Do I need to read every single comic he's even been in? Do I need to time-travel to the library of Alexandria to find a time-lost copy of Daredevil where his origin is explained? Because the obvious places say it's supernatural.

Again, Usain Bolt and Shohei Ohtana have innate and uncanny ability as well. One with speed and the other with baseball ability. Are you seriously saying that they have super powers?

Anyway, I've done the research and he gained his insane accuracy through training that innate and uncanny ability.

Let's look at the Fandom entry:

"Bullseye - shadowy assassin with mysterious origins who possesses supernatural throwing skills."

"Bullseye can accomplish many feats with thrown projectiles that is at a degree of superhuman."

Supernatural and superhuman, again, very clear.

I mean, your own fandom entry link says very clearly.

"Lester's innate ability to throw any projectile with great unerring accuracy and deadliness borders on superhuman. His uncanny ability to use virtually any common object as a lethal projectile actually makes him more dangerous than many characters who do have superhuman powers. Although he is not technically superhuman, Bullseye can accomplish many feats with thrown projectiles that is at a degree of superhuman."

He trained his innate talent to be as good as he is. The italicized portion is the part you cut out(that I bolded in your post) in order to misrepresent what that section said.

Selective editing to try and be right is a bad look. The man is not super human. He is normal human, but who has a talent that he has honed through training to be almost superhuman.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

He trained his innate talent to be as good as he is.

There's nothing there to confirm that. Not a single word.

In fact, I suggest people read the entry, because it's clear that it's unknown.

Although he is not technically superhuman

Yeah, I see that, but that's not supported by anything at all, and the same article also repeatedly calls his abilities superhuman and supernatural, so don't give me "selective editing", that's just hypocrisy on your part. It calls him supernatural and superhuman multiple times, and "not technically superhuman" only once unsourced.

He is normal human, but who has a talent that he has honed through training to be almost superhuman.

Nothing in the article supports your "training" claim and it repeatedly says his abilities are superhuman. You can't have it both ways. I know the article tries to, but that's because it's a lower-quality source and a bit confused.

Usain Bolt and Shohei Ohtana have innate and uncanny ability as well.

No. They have innate but not uncanny ability, nor would anyone describe them as "supernatural" or "superhuman" except when trying to hype them as clickbait, but the Fandom article does both repeatedly.

Why don't you do a control + f on the word "train" on that article.