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Goodman Games Offers Assurances About Judges Guild Royalties

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Goodman Games has issued another statement regarding the situation surrounding its upcoming City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunder.

Goodman Games CEO Joseph Goodman opened by saying "I was personally very affected by the comments because many of the people I know and love are in the groups that were heavily affected so I don't agree with the bigotry, I don't agree with the transphobia, I don't agree with the homophobia, I don't agree with the racism, I don't agree with any of it and I don't want to be associated with it and I don't want any money from Goodman Games to ever fund it or be perceived as funding it."

The short version of the statement --
  • The funds which would have gone to Judges Guild (which appears to be 10% of the Kickstarter) will be placed in an escrow account managed by Goodman Games. Those funds will be used to reimburse the backers of the earlier unfulfilled Judges Guild Kickstarter.
  • The print run will be limited to ensure that once those backers have been reimbursed, no further revenue will be generated. This ensures that Judges Guild will not make a profit on this project.
  • If in some way the Kickstarter does exceed this threshold, Goodman Games is legally obligated to pay the excess royalties to Judges Guild. However, Goodman Games will match that excess with a charity donation.


Hi everyone,

Over the last day, I’ve been listening and reading the comments made in relation to our City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding project. Many of you have legitimate questions which we could have done a better job addressing initially. I realize that, in the initial rollout, I should have better explained how Goodman Games plans to publish this product in a way aligned with our company’s core values.

A common sentiment in many comments is: “How do you know the royalties will be used as intended?” As we shared yesterday, our agreement with Judges Guild is that royalties from “our” 5E+DCC City State of the Invincible Overlord will be used to repay unfulfilled backers from “their” Pathfinder CSIO Kickstarter from many years ago. There is legitimate concern from many commentators asking how we will ensure that would happen and ensuring that no funds are used for any other purpose. I and the entire Goodman Games team personally agree, as we do not want any funds from a Goodman Games project (this or any other) used for any causes or purposes related to the things that we are diametrically opposed to. (Including antisemitism, racism, homophobia, or other bigoted causes.) Concerns about funds being used for other purposes by other parties have been taken very seriously.

Therefore, Goodman Games will set up an escrow account specifically to receive any royalties due to Judges Guild. Effective immediately we will take over administering the refund process for the 2014 Judges Guild “Pathfinder edition” CSIO campaign. All royalties generated from “our” 5E+DCC CSIO campaign will be paid directly into this account. No royalties will be paid directly to Judges Guild.

We will limit the number of copies printed of “our” CSIO project to ensure royalties do not exceed the “full refund threshold” of the original Pathfinder CSIO campaign. In other words, if every single backer of the original campaign requests a refund, and we sell our entire print run, the full value of refunds will be granted and not a cent will be left over for additional royalty payments.

All reimbursements to backers of the previous Pathfinder campaign will come from this escrow account, managed by Goodman Games and overseen by a third party to ensure the funds are used as intended with no other parties being a part of this process.

For the record: Goodman Games has no access to the original Judges Guild Pathfinder Kickstarter campaign. We were not part of it. Operationally, legally, morally and financially we have no connection to it (other than this new development). We are unable to access backer records. Currently we would ask that backers of that original project email info@goodman-games.com and include a screen capture of their original pledge info, with backer number as well as full name and mailing address. (This email address may change as we set up the mechanisms to deal with this process.) We will begin to process refunds following the close and settlement of the crowdfunding campaign. To the extent that the funds accrued in the Judges Guild royalty escrow account cover some or all refund requests, we will administer an evenly prorated amount or a full refund.

The goal of this post is to answer any remaining questions, so here is an answer to one more that I anticipate. “What happens to any money left in the escrow account after the refunds are paid out?” The “Pathfinder edition” CSIO project generated $85k in revenue. For “our” project to generate $85k in royalty payments, it would have to break $850,000, which would be an extraordinary campaign. I think it’s highly unlikely that will happen.

However, it has been represented to me that Judges Guild has already refunded some of the original Pathfinder backers, so perhaps the total refund requests will be less than $85k. And perhaps “our” campaign will do better than expected, generating a larger-than-expected royalty payment. The combination of these two factors means it’s possible there will be money left in the escrow account.

We are legally obligated to pay those funds to Judges Guild. If that happens, Goodman Games will match that remaining payment with a donation to a charitable cause that supports our values of inclusivity. We have requested that Judges Guild make a similar donation.

We will also be limiting the print run of the campaign to manage the amount of royalties generated by this campaign so that there should be no excess. This campaign will be a “one-and-done” print run. PDF copies of the materials will only be sold during this crowdfunding campaign. There will be no additional printing. If the crowdfunding backers do not pledge for the entire print run, the remaining printed copies will be sold into distribution to generate funds for the remaining reimbursements of the “Pathfinder edition.”

I hope this addresses the concern around “where the money goes.” If there are other questions I can address, please send them our way and I’ll try to address those too. As we said yesterday when the events of 2020 occurred, we had several projects in the works related to the Judges Guild property. This is the last former Judges Guild product Goodman Games will be publishing that we do not own the rights to. We have rights to other products, which we do not intend to develop.

The original City State of the Invincible Overlord, as first designed by Bob Bledsaw Sr and Bill Owen in 1977, is an amazing piece of TTRPG history that deserves to be seen by 2025 gamers. Our hope that we can find way to share this brilliant creation with 5E and DCC gamers, help resolve outstanding refunds for the prior Kickstarter backers and do so without any connection to racist, homophobic, antisemitic and other bigotry exposed in 2020.

Thanks for your patience as we got everything pulled together behind the scenes and having the faith in Goodman Games as a company and myself to do the right thing.

Sincerely,
Joseph Goodman
 

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I asked in the first thread if someone has (or would) create(d) a comparable product.

The answer has been mostly* no.
(In some cases, it was a no while some of the individuals saying no embraced varying levels of douche-baggery.)

*I started a separate thread to ask for suggestions. There haven't yet been any that cover what this product offers for DCC. However, I still find value in the suggestions that have been made, and I likewise value the community who have participated in that other thread to try to help me.

I've noticed a handful of folks saying that they still can't support Goodman Games anymore. If they are looking to part with the GG products that they currently own to put their conscience at ease, that may be an opportunity to pick up things that are hard to find in print.

It’s not just that there wasn’t a comparable product, there just wasn’t a comparable product that met your particular criteria. Regardless, Goodman Games can create their own city state adventure if they wished.
 

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It's fun to see the classics reimagined and updated. I've been playing with the same morons friends for more than 40 years, and we have a blast when we revisit old adventures that we played as kids. Also, a lot of what's new isn't terribly appealing to me (and to others). So, I get it if this stuff isn't your jam, but don't yuck other people's yums, my friend.
That wasn’t yucking anyone’s yum. That was criticism directed at a specific product with an incredibly low circulation owned by a highly problematic man whose comments have created the boondoggle you see today. It’s an appeal for someone to create something new rather than throw money at JG. It’s not about any particular system, OSR or otherwise. A new product can have old sensibilities, still be creative, and not be owned by a bigot.
 

It’s not just that there wasn’t a comparable product, there just wasn’t a comparable product that met your particular criteria. Regardless, Goodman Games can create their own city state adventure if they wished.

If there were interest in it, they may. I don't have any connection to the business beyond being a customer, so I can't speak to what makes sense for them as a company.

It is my perception that GG is happy to work with third-party publishers.

As a member of a community (ENWorld) which includes content creators and various other people involved in the business side of rpgs, I had thought that at least one might oppose Judges Guild in a way that creates content and joy for others via offering an alternative.

I'm thankful for the suggestions that I am getting in the thread that I created. It has been educational for me: both in terms of learning more about games & products and in terms of learning that there are members of the community with whom I share some interests.

All things considered, I'll likely back the Goodman Games project and also explore some of the games and products suggested by others.

At the time of this post, I feel good about being a Goodman Games customer and an ENworld community member.
 

I guess this means that bigots won't profit from the KS and maybe some people will get made whole.
But this seems like a stupid idea, there is no lack of old modules folk are nostalgic over, just make something else and don't deal with the bigots at all.
The old KS backers won't benefit but that refund process is going to be a naughty word show, creators with all the data can never get all of their backers to fill in surveys to get their stuff, Goodman don't even have their emails and they need them to send screenshots of a campaign from a decade ago? It will be a mess of not being able to get into accounts, missing emails and frustration.

Just make something else.
There is one potential positive to that: if that money is to sit in escrow until all of the old KS backers are refunded, but not all backers have been in touch to arrange refunds, then - depending on the contract that lays the process out - the remaining money could sit in limbo awaiting future claimants, and out of JGs hands.
 

It's good to see this coming to about the best resolution that could be hoped for here. As an original backer from 2014, I have written off what I spent here long ago, but it will be nice to end up with some refund at the end of it all.
 

The bit you’re missing is that JG did not have to pay, and were probably never going to be able to. So this really changes nothing for JG. They weren’t going to pay it, and they still aren’t. It does change things for the screwed backers though.

My brain starts hurting at the thought of GG backers effectively paying for their own refunds though. So if you were screwed by the JG campaign, by backing the GG campaign you fund your own refund. At which point—did you actually get a refund?
Probably not. But at least you get a product now with a discount, right?
 


Goodman Games CEO Joseph Goodman opened by saying "I was personally very affected by the comments because many of the people I know and love are in the groups that were heavily affected so I don't agree with the bigotry, I don't agree with the transphobia, I don't agree with the homophobia, I don't agree with the racism, I don't agree with any of it and I don't want to be associated with it and I don't want any money from Goodman Games to ever fund it or be perceived as funding it."
That reads like the anti-semitic version of "I have a black friend"...

It doesn't "sanitize things". Not sure if they can legally just drop the project, but if they could, that'd be the only actual way to be clean of the issue.

Remember when Kevin Spacey turned out to be as toxic as a nuclear dump site - he was the main lead in an extremely popular and profitable TV show at the time. The studio washed it's hands of him despite that massive loss.

To get clean, you gotta actually get distance.
 
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Well, Joe addressed nearly all my concerns.
  • He acknowledged the problem.
  • Apologized for not understanding the situation.
  • He empathized, genuinely, I feel.
  • Directly addressed the concern.
  • Explained how the royalties would be handled.
  • Explained how funds sufficient, short, or in excess would be handled.
  • Mentioned the escrow account would be a third party solution.
  • Explained a plan as to how to minimize royalties while generating the most to cover as many refunds as possible.
  • Promised a frankly unreasonable level of transparency.
  • Mentioned that the other CSIO projects were dead.
The only thing I don't recall him mentioning was why he, and his team, was publishing this at all. I can think of a couple of reasons.
  • He had to in order to recoup sunk development costs. Not to do so eventually might have been injurious to GG.
  • He might have had some contractual obligation with the Bledsaws that had a monetary penalty for non-publishing. Better perhaps to publish and navigate these waters than just cut a check to the family and say goodbye.
I don't find "paying the debt" to help the Bledsaw family in any way. If they could be forced to pay the previous backers it would have happened over the past decade. They can simply ignore the debt as they have, and find no indication they ever will settle that debt. This way, Joe can produce the project and try to make the previous backers whole to whatever extent they can be.

I don't think I would order a set. I have the originals, and they've served me just fine. I can convert as I need. I would mostly want the maps in a state that I could scan or photocopy to alter names and locations. But, I think Joe has done the best he could.

And, yes, I can believe he would be so excited about a project that he would not realize the uproar that it would generate. Some people get overly focused on the goal and fail to clear a hurdle.
 

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