D&D 5E I feel like the surveys gaslit WotC about """"Backwards Compatibility""""

[Zardnaar]

There was a big gap between Purple Dragon Knight (SCAG) and Cavalier (XGE). Or genasi (EEPG) and aasimar (VGM). To me, the gap is as wide as the gaps between Xanathar and Tasha.

O did say I prefer 3 different types of 5E due to power creep from early 5E to late 5E and 2024.

Xanathars to Tashas was the peak imho. Ans I'm not a fan of Tashas in general.

 

[ECMO3]

There was a big gap between Purple Dragon Knight (SCAG) and Cavalier (XGE). Or genasi (EEPG) and aasimar (VGM). To me, the gap is as wide as the gaps between Xanathar and Tasha.

There is a big gap in power inside the 2014 PHB without even using anything else.

The 2014 PHB had both the 2014 Grappler feat and the 2014 Sharpshooter feat which bookend what are probably the most UP and OP feats in 5E.

It also had the 2014 Truestrike spell and the 2014 Conjure Woodland Beings spell again probably the standout weakest and strongest spells for their level in either 5E or 2024.

The 2024 versions of these 4 things are far better and more balanced on both ends.

This is why I have such a hard time swallowing the argument that 2024 is incompatible because the feats and spells are generally more powerful.

If you think 2014 content is too weak to use in a 2024 game then 2014 content is too weak to use in a 2014 game too.

 

[Zardnaar]

There is a big gap in power inside the 2014 PHB without even using anything else.

The 2014 PHB had both the 2014 Grappler feat and the 2014 Sharpshooter feat which bookend what are probably the most UP and OP feats in 5E.

It also had the 2014 Truestrike spell and the 2014 Conjure Woodland Beings spell again probably the standout weakest and strongest spells for their level in either 5E or 2024.

The 2024 versions of these 4 things are far better and more balanced on both ends.

This is why I have such a hard time swallowing the argument that 2024 is incompatible because the feats and spells are generally more powerful.

If you think 2014 content is too weak to use in a 2024 game then 2014 content is too weak to use in a 2014 game too.

Fears were optional in 2014.

Class design is the big offender in 2024.

 

[ECMO3]

Fears were optional in 2014.

Class design is the big offender in 2024.

Spells weren't.

If you are mixing and matching 2014 and 2024 classes then yes I agree with you, but as I noted earlier you should not be doing that.

The subclasses, feats and spells are all pretty darn backwards compatible though and it is not like 2014 feats that were good before are useless now .... the subclasses, feats and spells that were near-useless in 2014 and were not rewritten are still near-useless in 2024, but the others are fine.

 

[Zardnaar]

Spells weren't.

If you are mixing and matching 2014 and 2024 classes then yes I agree with you, but as I noted earlier you should not be doing that.

The subclasses, feats and spells are all pretty darn backwards compatible though and it is not like 2014 feats that were good before are useless now .... the subclasses, feats and spells that were near-useless in 2014 and were not rewritten are still near-useless in 2024, but the others are fine.

Well bits are compatible enough. At least they morevor less left skill system alone.

 

[ECMO3]

Well bits are compatible enough. At least they morevor less left skill system alone.

The vast majority of what was not rewritten is compatible. I can't think of a single player-facing thing that was not rewritten and is not compatible and that includes a fair amount in the 2014 PHB, but a ton of content in the other supplemental books.

There are things that are 2014 things that were not rewritten and are weak (and things that are highly powered), but those things were already weak before the 2024 rules were published.

 

[Zardnaar]

The vast majority of what was not rewritten is compatible. I can't think of a single player-facing thing that was not rewritten and is not compatible and that includes a fair amount in the 2014 PHB, but a ton of content in the other supplemental books.

There are things that are 2014 things that were not rewritten and are weak (and things that are highly powered), but those things were already weak before the 2024 rules were published.

Not really. A lot of B+ and A tier stuff inn5.0 is now weak to new shiniest.

Older weaker stuff is now just that much worse.

And a lot now falls into ask the DM as well. Missing archetypes come to mind. Or an older character built around sharpshooter gas been kicked in love spuds. Or things Ike gloomstalker.

Light Cleric barely effected. Very minor biff.

Somewhat backwards compatible is more accurate.

 

[Imaro]

Well bits are compatible enough. At least they morevor less left skill system alone.

I'm still unclear on what your idea of backwards compatibility entails. Can you explain what a system being revised and backwards compatible means to you... even better would be an example of a ttrpg that meets your criteria.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm still unclear on what your idea of backwards compatibility entails. Can you explain what a system being revised and backwards compatible means to you... even better would be an example of a ttrpg that meets your criteria.

Minimal changes, rule tidy up incorporate errata. Very minor revisions. Cosmetic changes eg new art. Adding more options to a revised PHB.

Not rewriting fears, spells and classes to thr extent they did. Deliberately power creeping the old rules out. Feats no longer optional is another example. Not cutting archetypes and races.

 

[Imaro]

Minimal changes, rule tidy up incorporate errata. Very minor revisions. Cosmetic changes eg new art. Adding more options to a revised PHB.

Not rewriting fears, spells and classes to thr extent they did. Deliberately power creeping the old rules out. Feats no longer optional is another example. Not cutting archetypes and races.

It sounds like you wanted a reprint with eratta... not a revised edition.

Edit: This is basically what later printings of the core '14 books already were... outside of new art you had this already.