Spoilers Fantastic Four (Spoilers)

[chuckdee]

I don’t know what to say - the analogues are right there. The 1960s motif, the powers, a Doctor Doom-like villain, the importance of the family structure. A super-powered baby who may be more powerful than all of them put together. They literally have a Mole Man character!

Looking at it though, the family dynamics are completely different, which give it a completely different vibe. They aren't analogues of the characters. It just so happens that they are a family.

 

[TiQuinn]

Looking at it though, the family dynamics are completely different, which give it a completely different vibe. They aren't analogues of the characters. It just so happens that they are a family.

The biggest dynamic of the Fantastic Four was that they fought with one another, the way a family fought with one another, but also came to support each other in the end. The Incredibles showed that pretty well. Of course, it’s not a 100% photocopy of them, but it’s clearly based on them.

 

[Rabulias]

They literally have a Mole Man character!

No, he's the Underminer!

 

[TiQuinn]

No, he's the Underminer!

I am always beneath you but nothing is beneath me!!

 

[chuckdee]

The biggest dynamic of the Fantastic Four was that they fought with one another, the way a family fought with one another, but also came to support each other in the end. The Incredibles showed that pretty well. Of course, it’s not a 100% photocopy of them, but it’s clearly based on them.

It's a genre of movie that has several other family media. Yes, it has a basis in the same genre, and the fantastic four is the archetype of that genre, but I just think it's reductive to say that it's the best Fantastic Four movie to be made, when the Fantastic Four has other themes that it didn't cover, and the Incredibles has unique themes that it did cover.

 

[TiQuinn]

It's a genre of movie that has several other family media. Yes, it has a basis in the same genre, and the fantastic four is the archetype of that genre, but I just think it's reductive to say that it's the best Fantastic Four movie to be made, when the Fantastic Four has other themes that it didn't cover, and the Incredibles has unique themes that it did cover.

Yes, its genre is what if we took a family with all the mess that comes with that and make them superheroes…I suppose other movies have done that. Maybe? Even if that were somehow reductive, it’s still ignoring all of the other nods to the comic present in the movie.

If I was creating one movie that cut to the heart of the themes of the FF, Incredibles was it.

 

[gnarlygninja]

Finally got around to watching this. I had high hopes for it, but after the exposition ended I really disliked it.

 

[overgeeked]

Totally. The Incredibles feels like its own thing and demoting that to being a knock off FF seems to be reductive, and the FF is a lot different in feel than The Incredibles.

When I compare the two, there's no "demoting" going on. If anything, The Incredibles sets an impossibly high bar that no official Fantastic Four movie has come even remotely close to approaching. I don't think The Incredibles is a knock-off FF. I think it's very clearly a love letter to the FF. The list of similarities is long and has been hashed out over the two+ decades since its release.

 

[LordBP]

I don’t know what to say - the analogues are right there. The 1960s motif, the powers, a Doctor Doom-like villain, the importance of the family structure. A super-powered baby who may be more powerful than all of them put together. They literally have a Mole Man character!

Franklin at least in the comics is equivalent or greater than Galactus and may be boosting the powers of Sue in the movie.

 

[ART!]

I don’t know what to say - the analogues are right there. The 1960s motif, the powers, a Doctor Doom-like villain, the importance of the family structure. A super-powered baby who may be more powerful than all of them put together. They literally have a Mole Man character!

Like I said, I get why folks feel that way about it, but... I think @chuckdee said it well a couple posts above.