D&D General 5e System Redesign through New Classes and Setting. A Thought Experiment.

[doctorbadwolf]

Whereas Pathfinder 1e kept what worked in 3.5 and fixed what didn't work. 4e revamped everything, even the parts the player didn't have any problems with.

Eh it wasn’t casuals that killed 4e, it was dedicated players that were really angry about changes.

 

[Remathilis]

That's how we got 4E lol. Worked out well.

Again: the perfect form of D&D already exists and it's in the Rules Cyclopedia. D&D never needed to change. If only all these D&D players who learned to play wrong could be retrained...

Tongue thoroughly in cheek

 

[Zardnaar]

Eh it wasn’t casuals that killed 4e, it was dedicated players that were really angry about changes.

And if the casuals did switch they would be the same as the 1E hold outs in 3.0.

Their opinion wouldn't matter.

Lose the casuals youre screwed. This applies to movies, TV shows, video games, live service games, pvp games.

They exist to milk for money and to get farmed in PvP games.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

And if the casuals did switch they would be the same as the 1E hold outs in 3.0.

Their opinion wouldn't matter.

Lose the casuals youre screwed. This applies to movies, TV shows, video games, live service games, pvp games.

They exist to milk for money and to get farmed in PvP games.

Rampant vitriol from grognards can sabotage almost any niche hobby product.

 

[Micah Sweet]

because the best way to teach swimming is to toss someone into the pool and walk away…

I had a mentor when I learned on BECMI, and later on 1e. Neither system had a combat balancing system that rated monsters like CR does. Hit Dice is different.

 

[Micah Sweet]

and humans got by without penicillin, doesn’t mean they should abandon it once it was discovered

If the lesson needs tweaking, then tweak it, don’t abandon teaching

I still don't think encounter balancing through math is necessary.

 

[Zardnaar]

Rampant vitriol from grognards can sabotage almost any niche hobby product.

And if casuals ignore them their opinions dont matter.

2E to 3E made that transition. Grognards raged.

 

[Micah Sweet]

And if the casuals did switch they would be the same as the 1E hold outs in 3.0.

Their opinion wouldn't matter.

Lose the casuals youre screwed. This applies to movies, TV shows, video games, live service games, pvp games.

They exist to milk for money and to get farmed in PvP games.

Only if your product has to be made to appeal to the widest audience, and maximum profit is your top priority.

 

[Zardnaar]

Only if your product has to be made to appeal to the widest audience, and maximum profit is your top priority.

Then you have a niche product. Nothing wrong with that just dont claim its superior/more popular.

But if you have big product to niche product thats a bigger problem than niche product to begin with.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Again: the perfect form of D&D already exists and it's in the Rules Cyclopedia. D&D never needed to change. If only all these D&D players who learned to play wrong could be retrained...

Tongue thoroughly in cheek

The Rules Cyclopedia was pretty great. My favorite version of a D&D-like game is essentially an iteration on it and it's close cousins. That being said, 5e is a great base for a D&D-like game too, and easier to find players for, so it's an excellent alternative.