D&D 5E (2024) Lorwyn: First Light has been released

[dave2008]

The issue is that the Dash action doesn't, by itself, let you move. It just gives you "extra movement for the current turn". So the question becomes: is this ability intended to make it so you can move immediately as soon as Initiative is rolled but before your turn comes up in the round (assuming you're not first)? Or is it merely intended to make it so you can preload extra movement onto your first turn during combat?

If the intention is the former, then mechanically speaking the ability does nothing, because taking the Dash action outside of your turn doesn't let you move immediately. Hence why other abilities like Ready specify that you can move up to your speed instead.

If the intention is the latter, then it's fine. You roll Initiative, spend your Reaction to Dash, then when your first turn during the combat comes up, you've got extra movement to spend.

Got it - thank you for the clarification!

 

[pukunui]

I wonder if this is another Elemental Evil Player's Companion ... i.e. the salvageable remnants of something originally intended to be much larger and more comprehensive.

 

[TravDoc42]

No, the promised connections are completely absent in the product and there are things mentioned like Phyrexians that make no sense in a D&D context. The Domain of Delight thing is a marketing lie, an after thought when they decided to shove this into an FR product. I don't recommend it even for a Lorwyn fan, you could just use the Planeswalkers Guide and sub in Genasi for Flamekin.

Honestly if this frees up Lorwyn for DMSGUILD you'll certainly end up finding better DMSGUILD Lorwyn products soon enough.

I ended up buying the thing, and I agree, sadly. It is marketing hogwash, there's no attempt to even describe this as a Domain of Delight at all. I wish they kept the third space for an actual FR supplement, like a bestiary or something.

I like the monsters for the most part, but the supplement is rather weak sauce.

 

[dbolack]

Yeah. Digital books should be cheeper. Their prices are harder to gauge because the creators need fair recompense but the production costs are near zero. And the digital content is less permanent.

Production casts are hardly near zero. I haven't printed in ages, so this isn't quite the truth it once was, but my cover art was virtually always my highest expense.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Production casts are hardly near zero. I haven't printed in ages, so this isn't quite the truth it once was, but my cover art was virtually always my highest expense.

And mtg setting products can usually pull art from the sets. So for a product like this the art cost them like nothing.

 

[mamba]

@Parmandur mentioned Paizo selling 256 pages for $80. That felt expensive to me. This worked out to about 3 pages per dollar. I think my limit really is at least 5 pages, generally. 10 pages would be great.

@Parmandur ‘s was for a printed book, mine was for digital

 

[mamba]

$15 for a 32 page pdf isn't super cheap but people making it sound like it's highway robbery are highly exaggerating. The price seems fine for a WotC original digital book.

nah, $5 would be fine, $8 is getting pretty expensive, anything over that is indefensible

This price per page debate feels like a nonsense way to measure the worth of a product.

show me a better objective metric… it’s not like we are comparing apples and oranges, we are comparing the full FR book vs its DLC

 

[mamba]

the price for Beyond is based on the print price proportionately.

Small books are not cost effective

that is basically my point, their DLC is overpriced… you can call it ‘not cost effective’ but that really is the same thing

 

[Reynard]

nah, $5 would be fine, $8 is getting pretty expensive, anything over that is indefensible


show me a better objective metric… it’s not like we are comparing apples and oranges, we are comparing the full FR book vs its DLC

I mean if we compare it to video game DLC, a "season pass" usually goes for half the main cost and provides maybe 25% more content (give or take).

How does this DLC set (collectively) compare to that?

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Just found out on the interwebs that if you own Lorwyn: First Light you get access of Boggart, Flamekin, Elf Lineages, Kithkin, Rimekin, Lorwyn Changeling, Faeries even if you don't have the digital version of M: MotM, so it actually gives you a bunch of races, not just 2. But the book itself links to none of them and makes you think you have to own M: MotM to use them, that needs to be fixed ASAP.

Just confirmed all these are in my builder even though the only Beyond products I own are Planescape, 2024 Core, and FR Ultimate Bundle, Eldraine, and the free stuff.