D&D 5E (2024) 3 cantrips per round with the Bladesinger’s Extra Attack, Eldritch Knight’s War Magic and Haste? (5 with Action Surge?)

[Zardnaar]

Kinda makes me wonder how many spells you can have active at once.

I.e. mage armor, longstride, jump, mirror image...

Theoretically as many spell slots you have.

 

[mellored]

Theoretically as many spell slots you have.

But you can't stack effects, so how many different non-concentration spells are there, and which ones can you get.
(+1 concentration spell).
And some spells may run out before you get them all up. 1 minute duration is only 6 rounds.
And you might get slots on a short rest, which may time out some spells.
And sorcerer has extend metamagic.
And possibly other stuff.

Not useful for actual play i'm sure, but there's a "optimization" puzzle for anyone who likes solving stuff.

*ignoring Contingency every spell in the game.

 

[Zardnaar]

But you can't stack effects, so how many different non-concentration spells are there, and which ones can you get.
(+1 concentration spell).
And some spells may run out before you get them all up. 1 minute duration is only 6 rounds.
And you might get slots on a short rest, which may time out some spells.
And sorcerer has extend metamagic.
And possibly other stuff.

Not useful for actual play i'm sure, but there's a "optimization" puzzle for anyone who likes solving stuff.

*ignoring Contingency every spell in the game.

Divine soul sorcerer is probably your best bet.

 

[Silam]

I think 7 spells per round is the most you can do. 5 of them are cantrips.

Would you mind spelling out the exact sequence of that round? I think I’m missing something there.

 

[Zardnaar]

Would you mind spelling out the exact sequence of that round? I think I’m missing something there.

EK 7/Valor bard 6.

2 regular attacks both cantrips.

Action surge. 2 more attacks both cantrips.

Hasted. Grants an attack action one attacks only. Another cantip.

Bonus action spell
Reaction Spell.

 

[Silam]

Bonus action spell
Reaction Spell.

Ah, got it

 

[Horwath]

RAW Bladesinger extra attack and EK War Magic do not stack. PHB page 44:

"If you gain the Extra Attack feature from more than one class, the features don’t stack."

never understood why extra attack does not stack?

if you want to be fighter 5/barbarian 5/ranger 5/paladin 5 and make 5 attacks per Attack Action, why not?

that is your capstone, enjoy that and your four 3rd level subclass features.

 

[Zardnaar]

never understood why extra attack does not stack?

if you want to be fighter 5/barbarian 5/ranger 5/paladin 5 and make 5 attacks per Attack Action, why not?

that is your capstone, enjoy that and your four 3rd level subclass features.

Rules specifically say they dont stack.

 

[Horwath]

Rules specifically say they dont stack.

I understand the rules, but do not understand the logic behind it.

 

[Zardnaar]

I understand the rules, but do not understand the logic behind it.

Mechanical balance. Want 3 or 4 attacks be a fighter.