D&D General Design issues with 5e

Take a look at rare spells in A5E. It is a good mechanic, and works well for treasure, or spell crafting during down time.
Thats the idea.

There would be spells not on any class list. You can learn them as treasure, downtime, or by taking a feat.

I'd do the same for magic items. A fighter could put their blood and soul into searching for and bonding to a magic item. A bond so deep it doesnt require attunement.
 

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You'd be surprised. "Faster" can meaning "stripping out important context and granularity" to some and "more thematic" can mean "impose restrictions on the DM that force the game into unwanted directions."
Yeah.

Sometimes "fast" means "moves so quickly you done realize its boring and repetitive until the times you actually get to".

There is a lot of boring repetition high speed in 5e.
 

Core 5e2014 runs pretty fast, specially if you play with no feats. Part of why it runs so fast is lack of options. Usually, it's speed vs complexity. More complex game gets (more actions, more options), slower it is. That's why rules light games usually run super fast, while crunch heavy games tend to be slow. More options means more decisions, which means player taking more time, which leads to turns taking longer to resolve.
 

Core 5e2014 runs pretty fast, specially if you play with no feats. Part of why it runs so fast is lack of options. Usually, it's speed vs complexity. More complex game gets (more actions, more options), slower it is. That's why rules light games usually run super fast, while crunch heavy games tend to be slow. More options means more decisions, which means player taking more time, which leads to turns taking longer to resolve.


Yeah but most of the options you get in 5e are poor compared to your one "best option". 5e was designed much like 3e. Many PCs have either a bunch of bad choices OR one great choice and a bunch of bad or situational ones.

Only really optimized spellcasters really have a glut of options to poor over.

So the slowness really comes from people going over their bad options every turn and the raw drag of counting up dice.

And if you have an optimizer who optimizes the frequency of situation of their options.

You can have options and not have a slow game. You either have to trim OR telegraph the bloat.
 

Eh, even an intentionally non-optimized spellcaster can have fairly complex options to consider even early on, if the environment itself is complex -- outdoor engagement involving multiple combatants, perhaps non-combatants to protect, buildings or other terrain variously blocking line of sight, providing hard cover, maybe firing positions.

I once ran an intentionally non-optimized GOOlock (2014 rules; this was well before 2024) that early on got access to Spider Climb, which meant that for a combat involving defending a village from a raiding party it was actually relevant to know things like the heights of nearby buildings and the shape of their roofs (to the extent of answering the question of whether it'd be feasible to use one for a firing position from which to be casting EBs).

Later on... shrug at one point I calculated that I had a first-round threat range of ~300' (walk 30', summon a beholderkin aberration 90' away, beholderkin could fly 30' more, +150' range eyebeam). The combination of being able to move a bit, summon, and both use the remainder of my movement and have the summon itself reposition to in turn make ranged attacks provided options in spaces that were large enough... and since at that point we were in a campaign featuring giant-sized spaces, that happened a fair bit. That EB could reposition enemies but only in a direction directly away from me gave me more reason to consider positioning, as well. More generally, for a campaign where you at times need to maintain a high tempo (e.g. no long-resting after each battle, but sometimes you want to clear a stronghold without ever stopping for as much as a short rest due to defenders being organized) casters in general have a fair bit to think about regarding resource management in addition to the obvious "one concentration spell at a time" limit.

You could avoid the resource-management dilemma of Vancian spell slots by using something like Shadowdark's spellcasting mechanics where you might randomly lose access to the spell you tried to cast (until the next rest, not forever!); or simplify it using a spell point/mana system, or even something like drain from whatever edition of Shadowrun is your fave if you're feeling like seriously overhauling things (not sure how that'd work, but shrug; I'm sure that people have homebrewed weirder mixes). Things like positioning... well, any system with multiple AoE shapes and rules regarding movement speed, ranges, cover, and lines of effect wants you to care at least a little bit about it, even if I'm sure that a decent fraction of people are probably content to run TOTM combat and not fuss too much about the details.
 

Eh, even an intentionally non-optimized spellcaster can have fairly complex options to consider even early on, if the environment itself is complex -- outdoor engagement involving multiple combatants, perhaps non-combatants to protect, buildings or other terrain variously blocking line of sight, providing hard cover, maybe firing positions
Low level D&D is by far the worst of both worlds.

Your PC is so bad that everything is a valid option.

And you hand that to a noon

Then you level up and get specialized.

But you trained the noon that everything is a good option. So at level 7, they are still fretting over level 1 spells and pondering doing the Dash option.

While your spells get more complex and cheesy.

13a and Daggerheart got it right. Lose the lower level stuff as you level.
 

My biggest issue is with the skill system. I'd prefer something a bit more robust and for characters to gain new proficiencies as they level up. Also, the armor table is just odd.
 

Please read both our posts. He was referring to the 5e wight.

I don't play 3.5e and I don't care for it.

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Wight was just one example. I did look at 3.5 equivalents and 2E.

HP has been trending upward since 2E.

5.5 is the worst at it imho. Not just the wight.

2E a bit to class canon, 3.0 similar with powercreep.

3.5 I think had the happy spot. All the power creep in 5.5 just means more math and things to keep track of.

5.5 overall better than 5.0 but that aspect hmmmn not 100% convinced.
. Ogre gone from 52 to 68 hp iirc CR 2. Might have remembered that wrong.

Also see my fireball meh thread.
 
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My biggest issue is with the skill system. I'd prefer something a bit more robust and for characters to gain new proficiencies as they level up. Also, the armor table is just odd.
Compared to 5E and 5.5E D&D, A5E has much better utility/exploration development for all the classes. They get knacks et al., some of which do provide new skill proficiencies or similar. I really like this aspect of A5E.

What would you prefer to see for the armor table?
 

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