For the Greater Good - Full

Absolute, you didn't read far enough in the errata. Read point #72. It says to replace the entire Fullblade description with:

Fullblade: A fullblade is18 inches longer than a greatsword, and is too large for a Medium-size creature to use at all. A Large creature could use the fullblade with one hand, but would suffer the standard –4 nonproficiency penalty to its attack rolls, or with two hands as a martial weapon. A Large creature with the Exotics Weapon proficiency could use the fullblade in one hand with no penalty. A fullblade is also called an ogre’s greatsword.

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Ooops... tried to post 10 minutes ago... kind of late now.

First of all, I don't even know why I'm arguing over the TWO YEAR OLDVERSION of the fullblade, if you had the decency you would let me use the 2003 versiom found in the A&E, where the description makes perfect sense and in doing so allows medium characters to use it.

I've attached a screen shot of the fullblade description from the up to date A&E. Look for your self. If you can find some retarded errata or official FAQ that says otherwise, I will change it without questioon.


P.S. Halivar, mind your buisness, I realize you just want to help, but your not.

Umm... what part of I'm only drawing from a certain pool of books do you not understand? I personally don't agree that a Huge weapon can be used by a Medium-sized creature at all. Halflings can't use greatswords, and humans can't use fullblades. Please see page 97 of the 3.0 PHB, upper left, under the Too Large to Use section for my reasoning. Fullblades are the weapons of giants. That is my ruling. That is from the books that I am using. If your entire character concept hinged on him using a fullblade, then I'm sorry. Perhaps you need a different character concept.

If you cannot accept this and continue to have a bad attitude about it, then I'm going to ask you to step down. I will not waste any further time on this. I have made my judgement. If you cannot accept the DM's ruling based on the books that she is using as well as her own preference as to what she will and will not allow in her game, then you need to find another DM that will let you do as you please.

Please make your decision.

Ray Silver said:

I have made my judgement.

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Well, that's all you had to say, if you wanted to make a judgement call, you should of just said so. I'll have no quarrels with a DM's judgement or rule alteration. But when you try to back it up with info I disagree with, I'll back up what I know, with agreeable info.

Sorry about all that, no hard feelings. I'll choose a different weapon right away.

Okiday Absolute, that's good to know. Thanks for working with me. It's interesting that they changed the information, but I simply don't agree with A&E's interpretation of the fullblade.

But I have yet one more thing with your character - You can't use bracers of armor with your mithril breastplate. Bracers of armor provide an armor bonus to AC. So does the breastplate. The two don't stack. If you want a higher AC, then get an amulet of natural armor (note that it doesn't stack with your own personal natural armor, though you could get one with a higher bonus that you possess), a ring of protection, or anything else that provides a non-armor bonus to AC. Or you could just put something like that on your wish list and we'll see what happens. Then you could spend your 4k on something else.

On a different note - I have actually had my hands on a copy of the Book of Exalted Deeds. However, my FLGS can't sell it until Friday. Piffle. But there do seem to be some excellent feats, equipment, and PrCs in there, along with some good roleplaying advice on playing good characters. The base feat for a lot of the other feats seems to be "Swear a Vow," for those who are interested.

Ray Silver said:

On a different note - I have actually had my hands on a copy of the Book of Exalted Deeds. However, my FLGS can't sell it until Friday. Piffle. But there do seem to be some excellent feats, equipment, and PrCs in there, along with some good roleplaying advice on playing good characters. The base feat for a lot of the other feats seems to be "Swear a Vow," for those who are interested.

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Hrmm... seems like it will overlap nicely with the BoHM. If it's all right with you, I'd like to reserve possible changes to my "Swear an Oath" and "Oath of Combat" feats, depending on what's in the BoED.

I'm going to post a bit more flav-o-text today. Man, I'm ready to get Sebastian going. Think we'll have an ETS when you get the BoED?

But the bracers of armor are a magiacal bonus. Or can I not use them because my armor's in the way and that fact that it's magical have nuthin to do with it.(not to start another argument or anything, I just don't get it).

Absolute Zero said:

But the bracers of armor are a magiacal bonus. Or can I not use them because my armor's in the way and that fact that it's magical have nuthin to do with it.(not to start another argument or anything, I just don't get it).

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Every time armor is magically enhanced, that enhancement is classified as either an armor bonus, a deflection bonus, a concealment bonus, a natural armor bonus or a luck bonus (there are others, which I forget). Bonuses of different classifications stack, but those of a similar classification do not. It's based purely on play-balance, not on any real-world reasoning. It's just how WotC decided to write the rules.

For instance, wearing two rings of protection does no good; only the strongest one counts (I cry over this periodically ). Bracers of armor provide an armor bonus, similar to the kind you would put on your own armor. Since wearing both bracers of armor and enchanted armor won't stack, you would just take the strongest one.

Bracers of armor, I believe, were for spellcasters and others who could not wear armor of any kind, and thus could not get an armor bonus any other way.

Alternatively, you could just wear regular nonmagical armor and some +4 bracers of armor, but it won't be any cheaper. Still might want to look into that.

A way around this is to use a one-handed weapon and carry a heavily enchanted shield, since all magical affects on the shield stack, even if they're the same classification as your armor bonus.

Hope that helps.

Actually that does help, thanks Halivar. I really didn't know anything about magic items and enchantments and such until just recently, when I started to read up about them.

Can I have an enchanment that makes it so my breastplate adds more to my AC then. If I can, could you explain that to me, just what enchantment I would use, and what book and page it is that I'd find that stuff on.

And can I get someone to check if I got the crit range correct on my Mercurial Greatsword.

Ok, your attacks, damage, and crit range on your weapon look good. However, your magical properties are not done correctly and thusly your weapon is underpriced. Remember, as I said in the first post:

PCs will get 44,000gp to spend as they please from the listed sources, no more than 33,000gp on any one item. They may submit a wish list for the other 44,000gp worth of gear, which I'll pick/roll up for them.

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Thusly you may, currently, have no more than 44,000gp worth of gear. You submit a wish list for the other 44,000gp worth of your gear.

Now, back to your weapon. A masterworked mecurial greatsword 900gp (600gp base cost + 300gp masterwork, but note that the masterwork bonus to attack doesn't stack with any magical bonuses). All magical weapons with a special ability must have at least a +1 enhancement bonus (DMG 3.0, pg. 183, right-hand column, last sentence of third paragraph under the Weapons heading).

So thusly, your weapon must be a +1 keen speed weapon. Keen is a +1 bonus and speed is a +4 bonus, then add the +1 enhancement bonus. That's a total of a +6 bonus or 72,000gp. Plus 900gp for the weapon itself for a true total of 72,900gp. Now, that's far too much gold, almost your entire 88,000gp, and far over the cap I gave.

So you have to choose. A +1 speed weapon would be 50,000gp (plus the cost of the weapon), so that's too much as well. But a +1 keen mecurial greatsword would be 8,900gp in total, and well within your means, with enough money left over for armor and other magical items. In your wish list you can request additional enchantments to your weapon, so if you want more on there but can't afford it, just put it on your wish list.

You have similar problems with your armor. A masterwork mithril breastplate (what your armor would be prior to enchanting) would be 4,350gp. Magical armor with a special ability must have a +1 enhancement bonus prior to additional enchanting (3.0 DMG, pg. 179, right-hand side, last sentence of second paragraph under the Armor heading).

Your armor has to be a +1 fortification (75%) armor. Moderate fortification is worth a +3 bonus, then add in the +1 enhancement bonus. That's a total of 16,000gp, and add in your armor base costs and that's 20,350gp. That's within your means too.

You do have the DMG right?

And that reminds me:

Everybody ping in and tell me what books you own out of the following:

Races of Faerun, FRCS, Magic of Faerun, Faiths and Pantheons, Materia Magica (Dark Nebulae), Arms and Armor (Bastion Press), all splatbooks, all three core books, BoHM, BoED, and Dragon magazine #277-#312.

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