Educate me about HD TV's

Hmm...

The problem I see with HDTV that prevents many people upgrading are:

1. They cost more and there are multiple "HD" formats.
2. I've got satellite and Tivo - a new receiver and dish costs about $1000 - more than a few people are in this boat.
3. It is almost impossible for a non-geek to be able to do the following: save a copy of the movie/sporting event/tv show broadcast in HD onto a DVD.

I'd suggest going to a reputable A/V store (NOT a Best Buy/Circuit City type of place). The low-end of the type of store I am talking about is Tweeter. They will not only know the equipment, but also know whether it is right for *you*.

Don't waste your time on Best Buy or any of those other Big Box stores - the employees know nothing and the equipment they sell is garbage. Spend a lot of time and a little bit more money with a reputable establishment that *only* does A/V equipment. Then, either deal with them, or if tech-savvy, order from a reputable online place like Crutchfield.

Here is my experience:

When we bought our house, the previous owner had plasma tv mounted on wall, speakers mounted in ceiling and all of the electronics hidden in the stairwell to the basement. My wife was sick of seeing all of the wiring and the equipment on a rack in the living room - she agreed that if we bought this house, I could keep the same setup as previous owner. Well - the master bed/bath sold her on the house (giant master bedroom, whirlpool tub *and* shower with 6 body jets...), as did the decor (no re-painting needed) and the hot tub.

I spent about 3 months researching things, looking at equipment reviews, etc. after we signed the contract for the house and prior to closing. I realized that for the amount of money I was willing to spend ($5000), that HD wasn't going to be an option.

1. I needed a flat-panel and wanted plasma.
2. I needed in-ceiling speakers.
3. I needed an IR remote extender to control all of the electronics in the stairwell from outside the stairwell.
4. I wanted a new DVD player.
5. I needed a subwoofer to go with the new speakers.

I finally settled on a 42" Samsung Plasma EDTV - picture was great, low defect/repair rate, and the mounting bracket ($100) was thrown in for free. I settled on a nice, mid-grade DVD player from Sony, speakers from Elan Home Systems (MP525Ws, $450/pair and I needed 2.5 pair), and chose a smallish Velodyne subwoofer - not great, but certainly adequate, considering the performance of the main speakers. I also ended up buying Nile Audio IR extender equipment (main unit, wall-mount IR sensor and enough IR flashers for each of my components.)

I also had to buy new cables (Acoustic Research - *DO* get these from Best Buy - cheaper and better than Monster Cable.) and budgeted 10% of my money for these. Unless you have $Gazillion equipment, you *don't* need $250/meter cable.

Total cost to me: $4500 and some change. There was *no way* I could afford to get a plasma HDTV and also afford a new satellite receiver that did HD and Tivo, as well as the oval 3-LNB dish I would also need and still stay under $5000, so I compromised. Granted, If I had waited 2 more years, I probably *could* have afforded this since HDTV prices are dropping like a rock right now, as is the price of HD-compatible Tivo-equipped satellite receivers, but my wife wouldn't put up with 5 holes in the ceiling, a hole and four lag bolts sticking out of the wall, and no TV...
 
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Right now, you probably could get the HDTV... They have come down big in the past few months. The EDTV is fine if you're not actually doing any significant HD sources. Your points about TIVO and recording are well-taken.

I'm looking at a possible PS3 down the road (wth HDMI outputs to my HDTV and a Blu-ray player built in so I can get better DVD quality) so I spent $1500 on the Plasma and an upscaling DVD player with HDMI outputs. I think I'll be using my HDTV mostly for DVD-watching and game playing. I've always been a PC game player, but its starting to sound like I'll be switching to console...
 

3catcircus said:
Hmm...

The problem I see with HDTV that prevents many people upgrading are:

1. They cost more and there are multiple "HD" formats.
I agree. I'm trying to understand the need to have 1080i/p format. I know it's clearly the best HD picture quality but how many broadcast programs, DVDs, or videogames are going to be in 1080p?

3catcircus said:
2. I've got satellite and Tivo - a new receiver and dish costs about $1000 - more than a few people are in this boat.
I can understand the need to have phone service and pay for it, be it landline or cellular. I can understand the need to have water and electrical (and most cases gas) service and pay for it. I just don't understand the need to have cable or satellite TV service and pay for it. I'd rather catch free TV programs OTA (over-the-air; antenna). I just hope OTA digital broadcasting signals can cover all parts of my state of Hawaii.
 

Ranger REG said:
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I can understand the need to have phone service and pay for it, be it landline or cellular. I can understand the need to have water and electrical (and most cases gas) service and pay for it. I just don't understand the need to have cable or satellite TV service and pay for it. I'd rather catch free TV programs OTA (over-the-air; antenna). I just hope OTA digital broadcasting signals can cover all parts of my state of Hawaii.

Well - because otherwise I can't see *all* of the University of Florida football games while living in New Jersey, for starters...

Because I like The Sopranos, Deadwood, Rome, and a whole slew of other HBO original programs.

Because I can get The Military Channel (formerly Wings and Discovery Wings before that).

Because PBS is just as bad as ABCNBCCBS.

Because (other than The Unit) I don't watch the Big Three networks and haven't in over 5 years.

Because I can watch CNN and FoxNews and get both sides of the story.

Because of "Skinemax."

It isn't a need, it is a want I am willing to pay for.
 

Ranger REG said:
I'm trying to understand the need to have 1080i/p format. I know it's clearly the best HD picture quality but how many broadcast programs, DVDs, or videogames are going to be in 1080p?
Right now, and most likely for the next several years, there's no need to buy a 1080p set. Current HD programming --what there is of it-- is either 720p or 1080i. Broadcast/cable/satellite 1080p content looks to be a long way off, thanks to the bandwidth it requires.

So unless you plan on buying a lot of HD-DVD's or Blu-ray disks (or a PS3 -heh), 1080p is all cost for no benefit. Plus, from my understanding, the difference between 1080i and 1080p isn't all that noticeable unless the TV is really, really big.

If you're in the market for a new set, there are plenty of (relatively) affordable 720p/1080i units on the market. And plain old DVD's look great on them in glorious 480p...
 

3catcircus said:
Well - because otherwise I can't see *all* of the University of Florida football games while living in New Jersey, for starters...

Because I like The Sopranos, Deadwood, Rome, and a whole slew of other HBO original programs.

Because I can get The Military Channel (formerly Wings and Discovery Wings before that).

Because PBS is just as bad as ABCNBCCBS.

Because (other than The Unit) I don't watch the Big Three networks and haven't in over 5 years.

Because I can watch CNN and FoxNews and get both sides of the story.

Because of "Skinemax."

It isn't a need, it is a want I am willing to pay for.
Bah, humbug! If it's not free, it's not worth watching ... unless it's the Playboy Channel or Spice.
 


Ranger REG said:
I can understand the need to have phone service and pay for it, be it landline or cellular. I can understand the need to have water and electrical (and most cases gas) service and pay for it. I just don't understand the need to have cable or satellite TV service and pay for it. I'd rather catch free TV programs OTA (over-the-air; antenna). I just hope OTA digital broadcasting signals can cover all parts of my state of Hawaii.

Becasuse some of us can't get ANY OTA programming without something like this:
 

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Fenris said:
Becasuse some of us can't get ANY OTA programming without something like this:
Well, if that's the ONLY option you have ... government should do something to make more relay transmitter stations in your area.
 

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