Are Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms being combined into one setting?

Kae'Yoss said:

Not a problem, since they decided to ignore the Realms fans so they can make FR hip with the big crowd or something.

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I have to ask an honest question - Don't you ever feel ashamed of this constant weeping you seem to need to post in every FR 4E thread? Don't you hate the guy who just buts into conversations to say something sulky and weepy about the subject? I know I do!

On-topic, well, I'm not sure I'd be "down" with that. I kinda loathe Oerth, to be honest, and having two giant continents, BOTH of them with a "Europe-analogue" at their heart, well, that'd be kinda lame.

I do imagine we're going to see something pretty huge emerge, but I'd honestly be surprised if it was merging in an entire new campaign setting. Though god, Ed's "Abeir-Toril" comment is pretty teasing.

Deuce Traveler said:

Might as well stick Dragonlance in there too, then. It's got two continents and the rest of the world is unexplored.

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Don't you dare!

This also brings up one of my other pet peeves - multiversal assumptions. That is, all worlds must co-exist in some kind of multiverse by default or else something is terribly wrong with the game. I like that Dragonlance, Eberron, and the Realms in 3e had their own separate cosmologies, without interactions with the other worlds of D&D (outside of vague mentions and minor infractions). If you want to mix and match them, it's as easy as making up some clever wormhole concept and plunking your player characters in the other setting, but by all the gods, don't make them all linked officially via magical spaceships, planepunk cities, or spooky demiplanes.

Cheers,
Cam

So ... I guess this means no update of Krynnspace is forthcoming from MWP?

Cam Banks said:

This also brings up one of my other pet peeves - multiversal assumptions. That is, all worlds must co-exist in some kind of multiverse by default or else something is terribly wrong with the game.

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Preach it brother!

You know, I loved Planescape. I loved the Ravenloft campaign setting. Heck, I even like the core idea of Spelljammer. But the thing I loathed about all of those settings was the underlying assumption they all had that all of the other TSR campaign settings were connected. I scrubbed all that from my Planescape campaign that I ran back in the day, and I did the same to my Ravenloft campaign.

I actually like the 3e model for the planes - and they even leave an "out" for people who want to do world hopping since the plane of Shadow is still supposed to connect all the worlds together.

Anyway - I'll go on the record with a strong "I really doubt that they're merging the Realms and Greyhawk". I mean really strong. So strong that I will go out on a limb and say that I will actually eat my own hat if they do it.

And then I'll buy a copy of the campaign setting book - because that would be a funny, funny book. I'd bet that I could cause weeping and wailing at conventions just by standing on a chair with a copy of that book and reading passages from it. It would be like a gamer's version of the Necronomicon - full of things to drive gamers into the very depths of madness!

I don't think we'll be getting an Valley Elves, St. Cuthbert priests, or Suel Monks in your FRCS, but I DO think FR will embrace some classic generic Greyhawkisms (Vecna, Asmodeous, Bigby spells) to make the "generic fluff in the PH/DMG/MM align with FR"

Head of the Conclave to the Red Wizards of Thay: 'Yes, you must take the Test in order to progress in magic. Those are the rules.'
The Red Wizard to the Head of the Conclave. 'No.'
Raistlin to the Red Wizards: 'Think again, ladies and gentlemen. You will take the Test.'

Kender: 'Let's explore Toril.'
Toril. 'HELP!!!'

Waterdeep: 'What can a Death Knight do to a city like ours?'
Lord Soth: 'You're about to find out.'

Edena_of_Neith said:

Head of the Conclave to the Red Wizards of Thay: 'Yes, you must take the Test in order to progress in magic. Those are the rules.'
The Red Wizard to the Head of the Conclave. 'No.'
Raistlin to the Red Wizards: 'Think again, ladies and gentlemen. You will take the Test.'

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Red Wizards to Raistlin: So, there are at least eight of us with 24 or more wizard levels. You topped out at... what? 25th? Let's talk about that test again..."

One would certainly have to play around with NPC levels when going setting-mashing.

Thaumaturge said:

Is they? I don't know. Are they? Now that's a good question.

/runs back to grammar closet.

Thaumaturge.

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Post changed. Thanks for the grammar advice.

More like a Ravenloftian 'Grand Conjunction', than slapping on a new continent.

Ruin Explorer said:

On-topic, well, I'm not sure I'd be "down" with that. I kinda loathe Oerth, to be honest, and having two giant continents, BOTH of them with a "Europe-analogue" at their heart, well, that'd be kinda lame.

I do imagine we're going to see something pretty huge emerge, but I'd honestly be surprised if it was merging in an entire new campaign setting. Though god, Ed's "Abeir-Toril" comment is pretty teasing.

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I assumed that since the quote in Orc King was 'discordant and disasterous', that the merging would not have consisted of just neatly slapping Oerik onto Toril (or as neat as you can get if you were to dump several million tonnes of rock into the ocean...), but rather change key aspects of FR, for example:

The Temple of Elemental Evil now rests somewhere inside the Dalelands.
Greyhawk City is now on the south shores of the Moonsea.
Zhentil Keep is now run by Iuz.
The ruins of Dragonspear Castle is now Castle Greyhawk.
Red Wizards of Thay has been changed to Vecna's Spidered Throne.
...and so on.

Think of it like a Ravenloft 'Grand Conjunction'.

I wish I knew where I found this, some years-old WOTC thread that I can't find anymore. The guy put started putting all the continents on one planet. Tried to do it logically and it ended up not as big as you would think.