Excerpt: Paragon paths (merged)

Lizard said:

They WERE good enough for Shakespeare.

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Are you trying to correct my grammar, or imply that we don't write the same way as did Shakespeare?

In the first case, I would remind you that "they" is still a single word and therefore "was" is the appropriate form.

In the second, my point is that we do write as Shakespeare did - in using "they" if nothing else.

This is my big response - yay!

This one is correct...

Stalker0 said:

I think this discussion has officially gone off topic.

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But...

Andor said:

“Let loose the gift of battle!” - This isn't a mixed metaphor, it's a pureed one.

“When you need something dead, you’ll be hard pressed to find someone better at the job than me.” - Is this an assasin or a grave robber?

“This weapon is my symbol of office, and it shines over the field of battle as I wield it against our enemies.” - Symbol of office? Shines over the battlefield? Is he fighting with a key-to-the-city +3?

WotC needs to hire a cruel and powerful flavor text editor, who causes pain to writers who turn in stuff like this. A beholder with hemorrhoids would be ideal.

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Made my ladyfriend and I giggle.

So did

DandD said:

... Every gaming group can call their Viking Warriors in their game Imperial Saint Stormtroopers ...

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But nothing made me as happy as this...

WotC_Miko said:

1) There are over 30 paragon paths in the PH.

2) My paladin took a multiclass cleric feat so she could qualify for a cleric paragon path.

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About name-changing classes. Sometimes an easy house rule is to write the new name and then the real one in parenthesis. For instance, if I dm when 4e comes out (which is likely), there will be unaligned Knights(Paladins).

Daemonicious said:

Has no one else noticed this little tidbit under Battle Mage found within the flavor text:

You have even learned of a technique for using arcane energy to temporarily stave off death—and you can’t wait to try it out in battle!

Maybe an arcane utility that grants you another healing surge? Rock on...

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I figured that it would be the level 12 utility spell or a crazy level 20 Paragon Power spell. Or... what about a ritual to somehow make the first killing blow they get (I mean, are hit with) that day only deal half damage? I think that'd be pretty darn handy to have.

Also, I think this is worthy of consideration...

FireLance said:

One other way to "multiclass" within your own class might be:

At 11th level, you pick one other option from your base class, e.g. if you picked Artful Dodger for your rogue at 1st level, you can now pick Brutal Scoundrel at 11th. The encounter, utility and daily power you get at 11th, 12th and 20th level are simply selected from your class power list.

Not sure what you could get in place of the 11th level action point ability and the 16th level class feature, though.

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I think that there should be an option for that sort of... same-class double dipping and some sort of new AP use associated with it.

KidSnide said:

One of the things that I like about small paragon paths is that it seems like it should be pretty easy for GMs to write their own. Compare to 3E, where it was pretty hard to write balanced prestige classes (WotC designers seemed to routinely fail at the task).

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This is something I agree with. It was easy to make up prestige classes, but annoying to balance them. Paragon paths just make sense to me (refers to an old post mentioning a pre-4e attempt two years ago... which in retrospect... everyone's 'prestige class' kicked in at level 11. ...which is eerie and awesome).

Kordeth said:

What do you mean by abilities that can be selected from either? You don't lose out on any class powers in exchange for paragon path powers.

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I was thinking about allowing the powers gained at LV 13, 15, 16, 19 to be chosen from either a list from the initial class or a list from the paragon path.

This isn't in the WOTC text, but it's something that might have given these paths a bit of extra meaning without changing their power much.

On the other hand, there may be enough powers in the base classes that doing so would be largely irrelevant; we'll have to see.

That One Guy said:

I think that there should be an option for that sort of... same-class double dipping and some sort of new AP use associated with it.

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Umm... that's exactly what a Paragon Path is.

WotC_Miko said:

1) There are over 30 paragon paths in the PH.

2) My paladin took a multiclass cleric feat so she could qualify for a cleric paragon path.

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Ah, nice information. I guess we will get to see more of this next Wednesday.

He means that he would rather be a Cleric with the "Paragon Path" of Cleric than a Cleric with the Paragon Path of Radiant Servant. It's like someone saying that, in 3.5, they want to do 5 levels of Ranger and then redo the first 5 Levels of Ranger so that they get TWF AND Archery.

Maybe this will end "Ridiculous Linguistic Debate 2008".

If this is all you guys can find to complain about then this must be best game ever made by the hands of man. Truly the second (well fourth) coming.

Seriously, what is the point of these nit-pick fests other than to reinforce gamer stereotypes and pad post counts? Might as well launch into Kirk vs. Picard and get it over with.

If this is all you guys can find to complain about then this must be best game ever made by the hands of man. Truly the second (well fourth) coming.

Seriously, what is the point of these nit-pick fests other than to reinforce gamer stereotypes and pad post counts? Might as well launch into Kirk vs. Picard and get it over with.

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Can I get an Amen brotha!

Or Ninjas vs. Pirates. Yeah, D&D-geeks.