D&D General Is "official" lore important to you?

Is official lore important to you?

  • Yes, always

    Votes: 22 16.7%
  • Yes, but only in regards to one setting

    Votes: 12 9.1%
  • Not usually, but I have a specific hangup or two

    Votes: 26 19.7%
  • No, never

    Votes: 52 39.4%
  • My opinion is too complex for your silly poll

    Votes: 20 15.2%

The way I view setting material is it's saving work for me. I am most likely not going to change the setting material I am using as printed, because that defeats the point of laziness. But I don't really care about what expanded books I don't have say if I happen to go against them. You might have a bunch of Dragon magazines about Verbobonc that I don't, and they might say the city is completely different than I do, but I don't care.
 

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Aldarc

Legend
New edition? New setting. It'd need to be a generic setting, yes, but even if it's generic it's still new. 4e with Nentir Vale is thus far the only one that's got this right.

For 5e, the area around Lost Mine of Phandelver should have been a tease region for a whole new setting, released side-along with the three core books.
It bears repeating that both Lost Mines of Phandelver and the Nentir Vale came largely out of the mind of designer Rich Baker, who likely took quite a bit of inspiration for Nentir Vale from the Elsir Vale in his 3.X adventure Red Hand of Doom.

LOL. And people absolutely lost their naughty word over 4e's lore changes. They changed the lore for many of the monsters to fit in the new setting. Changed the cosmology and folks blew their freaking minds. And, with all the screaming over how they are not putting out enough material for the larger Forgotten Realms, only the Sword Coast, could you imagine how much screaming there would be if there were NO Forgotten Realms material? :WOW:

New edition, new setting? Yeah, good luck with that. We saw what happened in 4e.
It's actually not a fundamentally bad idea, at least if there is some continued support for past settings. I kinda like @Lanefan's idea. On a metatextual level it could represent the growing macrocosm of the shared D&D universe. When a new edition is born, so too is a new setting.

From my point of view, it's usually:

Change I don't like=pointless change, change for change's sake, waste of time.

Change I do like = brilliant designer, kudos, well done.

IOW, official lore is only as important as a measure of how much Person A likes something. It's not important for any actual reason. Just important because "I" happen to like it. And it works as the perfect argument against change.

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The Canon Club is largely just a cheap way to try to force preferences on other people.
Hussar's First Law Of Canon

The degree to which canon is important is inversely proportional to the degree to which someone dislikes a change.
I'm admittedly of a mixed mind about canon, which may play into your point quite handsomely.

IMHO, I don't necessarily think that like or dislike of canon or the changing thereof can be reduced simply to a matter of whether someone likes/dislikes change. It seems like too much of a reductionism that marginalizes some of the complexities of people and their attitudes towards canonicity because people do have emotional relations to canon that amounts to more than like/dislike. I certainly acknowledge that if someone likes the change to setting or dislikes the change to setting then that will undoubtedly factor into their receptivity to the changes.

As a point, I'm not really a big believer of notions of "head canon" and the like because, IMO, "head canon" is about like saying that a single fish represents a school of fish. Again IMO, a big part of what makes "canon" canon is that it represents an agreed upon body of texts, facts, principles, etc. of a group or community. And so an important political - because yes it's political - is the idea that what is being included as canon says a lot about who is being included. Canon is often important because it communicates shared assumptions within a community or even between communities. And as silly as it may sound, people have built their identities in relation to various canons of fandom so when disruption occurs to canon, then a disruption can occur within fandoms.
 

3catcircus

Adventurer
Official canon is always important to me, if it is something that fundamentally changes the setting. Local thieves guild leader is replaced? Not that big a deal. Entire nations and associated maps completely changed? I have a problem with that.
 


Aldarc

Legend
If I strongly prefer the canon setting in my Star Wars game how does that force anything on others?
This is an interesting question with a potentially complex answer, but if I had to boil it down to a simple point? Because canonicity represents authority and the tacit compliance or non-compliance with that authority.
 

LOL. And people absolutely lost their naughty word over 4e's lore changes. They changed the lore for many of the monsters to fit in the new setting. Changed the cosmology and folks blew their freaking minds. And, with all the screaming over how they are not putting out enough material for the larger Forgotten Realms, only the Sword Coast, could you imagine how much screaming there would be if there were NO Forgotten Realms material? :WOW:

New edition, new setting? Yeah, good luck with that. We saw what happened in 4e.
See, they could have done this well if they didn't try to impose the new ideas for the new setting on old settings. In other word, FR gnolls should have been (form an rp perspective) the same as last edition's FR gnolls. The new Nentir Vale cosmology should only apply to that setting, etc. (Heck, I can even see this as an argument for not adding dragonborn to FR.)

A new setting tailored to the edition = good idea. Changing all the existing settings to match each new edition = bad idea.

Tangentaly, I also have really mixed opinion on the spellplauge. It's a cool idea, but a weird thing to add to an existing, already well-liked ttrpg setting.
 

Lanefan

Victoria Rules
A new setting tailored to the edition = good idea. Changing all the existing settings to match each new edition = bad idea.
Agreed.

What I'd suggest instead of changing existing settings to match each new edition would be for them to put out a conversion guide* for those who want to update their own existing setting (whatever it may be, homebrew or canned) and leave it at that. The edition's own new setting could then be used as an example of what a converted setting might look and run like.

* - in two versions: one quite brief for those who either just want top-level conversion or who maybe just want to cherry-pick, and another more in-depth for those who want to fully convert a setting.
 

Reynard

Legend
Agreed.

What I'd suggest instead of changing existing settings to match each new edition would be for them to put out a conversion guide* for those who want to update their own existing setting (whatever it may be, homebrew or canned) and leave it at that. The edition's own new setting could then be used as an example of what a converted setting might look and run like.

* - in two versions: one quite brief for those who either just want top-level conversion or who maybe just want to cherry-pick, and another more in-depth for those who want to fully convert a setting.
It's hard to sell books that way. It seems clear from publishing history that the Realms sell, even after a spellplague or two.
 

Hussar

Legend
If I strongly prefer the canon setting in my Star Wars game how does that force anything on others?

Not at all. What you are doing in your home game is 100% between you and your players.

But, are you going on social media to decry the latest change to the canon? To tell all and sundry how the changes have murdered your childhood? That sort of thing? If no, then no worries. If yes, then, yes, you are trying to use canon as a blunt force object to enforce your opinions.

"I LOVE these changes, but, we shouldn't do them because they contradict canon" is a sentence that has NEVER been uttered.
 

MGibster

Legend
But, are you going on social media to decry the latest change to the canon? To tell all and sundry how the changes have murdered your childhood? That sort of thing? If no, then no worries. If yes, then, yes, you are trying to use canon as a blunt force object to enforce your opinions.

I generally don't view someone stating their opinion as trying to enforce anything on others. Does this apply to positive opinions as well or only negative?
 

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