WotC New M:tG set announced: "Adventures in the Forgotten Realms"

Dausuul · Sep 3, 2020

I want two things out of this set: The Hand of Vecna and the Eye of Vecna.

There's lots of other stuff that would be fun to have, but if those two artifacts are not present, this set will be a failure no matter how well it sells.

(Now I think about it, this would be a perfect opportunity to use the "god" technology of recent sets, where you get a powerful creature for cheap but have to fulfill a special condition before it will fight for you. Vecna could be a Zombie God with "Vecna can't attack or block unless you control permanents named Eye of Vecna and Hand of Vecna.")

Urriak Uruk · Sep 3, 2020

Remathilis said:
Honestly, a combo book that discusses Innistrad as well as a few choice domains of dread might be a good compromise...

That would make sense to me. They overlap almost one-to-one, and although they are technically very different in the cosmology (Innistrad is technically in the Material Plane, Ravenloft in the Shadowfel) you could easily retcon it so Innistrad is in the Shadowfel.

I am interested that if push-came-to-shove, what WotC would prefer to have on the cover... Say if the title was Vampire Hunter's Guide to.... would they prefer Innistrad, or Ravenloft, or something else?

Parmandur · Sep 3, 2020

I would rather than they kept them separate: no need to squish them together because of a tenuous genre similarity, anymore than Greyhawk needs to be squished into the Realms over the sea or something.

Urriak Uruk · Sep 3, 2020

Parmandur said:
I would rather than they kept them separate: no need to squish them together because of a tenuous genre similarity, anymore than Greyhawk needs to be squished into the Realms over the sea or something.

Innistrad makes perfect sense as a demiplane in the Shadowfel. Barely tweaks the lore at all.

Remathilis · Sep 3, 2020

Parmandur said:
I would rather than they kept them separate: no need to squish them together because of a tenuous genre similarity, anymore than Greyhawk needs to be squished into the Realms over the sea or something.

I agree somewhat; I wouldn't want Innistrad to become a part of the Shadowfell or have a Dark Lord. However, Innistrad is relatively small as a setting and Ravenloft, well, a lot of Ravenloft domains are crap. My idea would be to split the book in two parts; one as Innistrad to show a regular horror setting while Ravenloft becomes a series of Weekend in Hell areas curated from the best domains of the setting similar to Curse of Strahd but with less detail. The remainder would be genetic gothic horror shared between both.

That said, if I have to take one OR the other, I'll live with it.

Urriak Uruk · Sep 3, 2020

Remathilis said:
I agree somewhat; I wouldn't want Innistrad to become a part of the Shadowfell or have a Dark Lord. However, Innistrad is relatively small as a setting and Ravenloft, well, a lot of Ravenloft domains are crap. My idea would be to split the book in two parts; one as Innistrad to show a regular horror setting while Ravenloft becomes a series of Weekend in Hell areas curated from the best domains of the setting similar to Curse of Strahd but with less detail. The remainder would be genetic gothic horror shared between both.

That said, if I have to take one OR the other, I'll live with it.

This would make a good book. I think selling Ravenloft as one book and Innistrad as another... would be kind of dumb from a business perspective, and doubt it will every happen. But I want both, so both being in the same book makes sense to me.

Parmandur · Sep 3, 2020

Remathilis said:
I agree somewhat; I wouldn't want Innistrad to become a part of the Shadowfell or have a Dark Lord. However, Innistrad is relatively small as a setting and Ravenloft, well, a lot of Ravenloft domains are crap. My idea would be to split the book in two parts; one as Innistrad to show a regular horror setting while Ravenloft becomes a series of Weekend in Hell areas curated from the best domains of the setting similar to Curse of Strahd but with less detail. The remainder would be genetic gothic horror shared between both.

That said, if I have to take one OR the other, I'll live with it.

Curse of Strahd is already in print, and other Ravenloft Setting stuff is in the DMs Guild. If we got something new, I'd rather see Innistrad by itself. Maybe a sidebar about Ravenloft, at most.

Remathilis · Sep 3, 2020

Parmandur said:
Curse if strahd is already in print, and other Ravenloft Setting stuff is in the DMs Guild. If we got something new, I'd rather see Innistrad by itself. Maybe a sidebar about Ravenloft, at most.

Innistrad already had a Planeshift that's free on DM's Guild. I'd like to see some offical support for the parts of Ravenloft that aren't Barovia.

LuisCarlos17f · Sep 3, 2020

My theory is Innistrad and Ravenloft will be not together, but both are going to be good neighbors. Ravenloft will come back because is too good as transmedia franchise, but if we add too many monsters, it becomes a Jurasic Park for monsters from Hammerfilms. Let's say that ecosystem can't bear too many predators. We also have to remember in 4th not all dark domains were within the demiplane of the dread.

The metaplot of Ravenlof still will be frozen for some years. I wonder how would be Ravenloft comics with a retro look of horror comics from 70's.

Maybe Innistrad could be visited by vistani. There are people with a lot of secrets.

If it is a book of crunch, Innistrad or Ravenloft doesn't matter.

Cadence · Sep 3, 2020

Remathilis said:
Innistrad already had a Planeshift that's free on DM's Guild. I'd like to see some offical support for the parts of Ravenloft that aren't Barovia.

Wow. I never realized those plane shifts were so large!

https://media.wizards.com/2016/dnd/downloads/Plane_Shift_Innistrad.pdf

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