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That would still be a cone.

But D2 is awesome and I haet 4e! :p

Right, but every monster we've seen so far deals similarly small damage. I think it's more likely that damage output has just been significantly reduced in 4e compared to 3e.

So far it seems that power sources are like 3.5 schools. They're a way of sorting powers but have no mechanical effect.

I love threads like these. They get people who are fervently pro-4e to justify a feature of 4e "because that's the way it's always been done". Now we just need to get some grognards in here demanding radical change that's never been seen in D&D before.

A switch to metric removes "gear-shifting" from metric users but adds it to imperial users. As wotc is an American game company, I think it's obvious to place this onus on metric-users instead of imperial-users. However, I think wotc should just add an imperial to metric conversion as part of...

It sure is strawman in here.

Saying it can be used to great effect is completely unfounded. As a previous poster stated, of all the monsters released, we have only seen a single monster ability that can be dispelled. The evidence we have is that this will be a weak and situational spell. Perhaps it's for the best. This way...

Except this is the knife wizards are getting in 4e:

It seems like they are nerfing most of a wizard's 3e utility powers but making them minor actions so you can use them while still throwing out firecubes with your standard action. Given how bland the wizard attack powers we've seen so far are, I can 't say I'm particularly happy with this change.

There's no disagreement over whether the mechanic (doesn't) works for D&D. No one thinks replacing the GM making decisions for monsters with an aggro system is a good idea. The disagreement is over whether or not 4e is incorporating this bad mechanic.

There's no option for people who have play tested and think the classes play the same.

I think this is a legitimate "D&D is turning into WoW complaint." Which is to say, D&D is gaining some aspect of WoW that is disliked. The Paladin's mark, for example, might as well be an unbreakable taunt. Attacking another party member simply isn't even an option when you take 8 damage for...

I suspect the pro-4e arguments we are hearing now were much the same as back when 3e was coming out. "D&D is returning to its roots" "The new edition will eliminate the previous edition's power gaming" "The new edition is stream lining the rules for faster gameplay with less referencing the...

I think you're describing the 4e Pit Fiend. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dramp/20080125

I thought the whole point of Schroedinger's cat paradox was that it doesn't make sense to try and apply Quantum Mechanics to macroscopic phenomena.

I've always felt they should put one of the ex-MtG art directors in charge of D&D art. It has so much potential but generally poor execution.

Well, yeah, that too. Maybe I'm being naive, but that seemed like a simple mistake more than a clumsy attempt at disinformation. *Shrug* It's only injecting humor if you agree with the poster. I recall a few posts about a month ago with thread titles or poll choices ridiculing 4e. I thought...

IceFractal explicitly avoids the type of behavior you're condemning. He's saying you shouldn't assume spells can do non-lethal, not that they definitely don't. And gives evidence from previous editions. All his other arguments are also from specific evidence we know about 4e. The only...