1st ed again.

[Desdichado]

It can't be "lightyears beyond",
it's still AD&D and they didn't invent anything.

I thought this was made abundantly clear, but obviously not. NO, it isn't AD&D. It's D&D3e. TWO VERY DIFFERENT GAMES! And yes, they invented quite a few new things.

1st ed never fell !!!
They just made that impression on you
on purpose.
The company just felt it was too old for the public
or something
and came up with a new look
more than a new game.

Of course it did! It's been out of print for years. It's user base has shrunk to nearly nil long before 3e even came out!

Maybe the 3e is an improvement on technicalities for many.
Fine, have fun. I just say the ones missing on something
might not be me not rushing to buy the new edition
but might be some people who never did and never will
know the 1st.
That's just my way of saying, hey, the 1st ed's so cool !
That's the original, the real one, and still my favorite !

OK, but then why come to a THIRD EDITION message board to say that? One which, apparently, has a higher percentage of over-30 gamers who've played since before 1e even then any other group I've ever met?

I have not said that.
I have talked about style and armor class.

Check your first post. It's right in there.

 

[ColonelHardisson]

What HackMaster's doing's cool !
I just saw the books covers.
I'm still looking for some samples from the books though.
Is it 1st ed AD&D rules or what ?

Basically, yes, It's mostly 1st edition AD&D, with the best bits from 2nd edition and some new stuff that makes sense.

Here are some monsters from the Hacklopedias of Beasts:

http://www.kenzerco.com/rpg/hackmaster/downloads/Arvanger.pdf

http://www.kenzerco.com/rpg/hackmaster/downloads/Attention.pdf

http://www.kenzerco.com/rpg/hackmaster/downloads/Babbling.pdf

http://www.kenzerco.com/rpg/hackmaster/downloads/Blind.pdf