2 Handed Ranged rules

[jontherev]

There is a two-handed throwing mechanic, under "Stone Giant" in the Monster Manual. The text notes that stone giants use both hands when throwing rocks, and the resultant damage is 2d8+12 (so 1.5 times the giant's +8 Strength bonus).

Thanks! That's what I needed. Now the only question is whether the Exotic Weapon Master Uncanny Blow stunt will apply to both melee or ranged attacks. To me, it seems like once you take Power Throw and Brutal Throw, your melee and ranged attacks become pretty much the same as far as to hit and damage bonuses go (not taking into account specific melee or ranged feats like PBS or Melee Weapon Mastery). I could see a possible case for splitting it up over two stunts (Uncanny Blow:Melee and Uncanny Blow:Ranged), but that's probably overkill for a prestige class where this is all you are getting besides a BAB and good fort save.

 

[jontherev]

The wording of the feats is important here. Could you clarify them, or at least name the Power Attack feat?



It is a melee weapon when used as a melee weapon, and a throwing weapon when used as a throwing weapon, much like a dagger. Benefits and penalties that apply to throwing weapons only apply when it is used as a throwing weapon.

It's called Power Throw.

The EWP stunt says "when wielding a one-handed exotic melee weapon in two hands..." and then gives the benefit. It later says it counts as a 2 handed weapon regarding power attack rules. It never says anything like "when making a melee attack...blah blah blah"...that would have closed the book.

I agree regarding specific melee and ranged bonuses. For example, I have both Ranged AND Melee Weapon Mastery to cover both.

 

[boolean]

The effects of Power Throw don't refer to Power Attack at all. (The only reference to PA is in the pre-requisites section.)

So, the feat does what it says it does. No more, no less. Take a penalty to attack rolls with thrown weapons, get an equal bonus to damage.

No extra damage for using a weapon two-harded, but it also has full effect with light weapons.

 

[jontherev]

The effects of Power Throw don't refer to Power Attack at all. (The only reference to PA is in the pre-requisites section.)

So, the feat does what it says it does. No more, no less. Take a penalty to attack rolls with thrown weapons, get an equal bonus to damage.

No extra damage for using a weapon two-harded, but it also has full effect with light weapons.

After reading this feat more last night and comparing it to Power Attack, I agree with you. Power Attack has a Special section concerning 2H weapons that is not included in Power Throw description. It does make sense that you can't do quite as much damage throwing a weapon as you can in melee. However, the strength bonus DOES increase if you throw a weapon with 2 hands.

Now the only question in my mind is if my DM will allow the EWM stunt to work when I throw the ax.

 

[interwyrm]

No extra damage for using a weapon two-harded, but it also has full effect with light weapons.

Interesting... so a fighter with throwing axes in each hand can power attack with each attack?

 

[javcs]

If he throws them.

 

[Darklone]

Interesting... so a fighter with throwing axes in each hand can power attack with each attack?

Power attack in melee, Power throw in ranged combat.

And why do you ask about each attack? Power Attack clearly says you do it either the whole round or not at all, you can't use it for e.g. the high BAB attacks and stop for the low BAB attacks.

 

[jontherev]

Power attack in melee, Power throw in ranged combat.

And why do you ask about each attack? Power Attack clearly says you do it either the whole round or not at all, you can't use it for e.g. the high BAB attacks and stop for the low BAB attacks.

You can't power attack in melee with a light weapon, so you'd have to be a small creature to power attack with a handaxe in melee. Well, you COULD if you were medium, but you don't get to add any extra damage to it...see Power Attack for details. The difference here is that Power Throw doesn't limit you to weapon size; nor does it grant a bonus for throwing two-handed. HOWEVER, as I already stated, you WOULD get the 1.5 X Str bonus for throwing 2-handed if it's not a light weapon.

 

[MarkB]

You can't power attack in melee with a light weapon, so you'd have to be a small creature to power throw a handaxe. Well, you COULD if you were medium, but you don't get to add any extra damage to it...see Power Attack for details. The difference here is that Power Throw doesn't limit you to weapon size; nor does it grant a bonus for throwing two-handed. HOWEVER, as I already stated, you WOULD get the 1.5 X Str bonus for throwing 2-handed if it's not a light weapon.

As mentioned further upthread, Power Throw is not Power Attack, and lacks the light/one-handed/two-handed distinctions of Power Attack. You get the 1-for-1 BAB/damage trade-off whether you're throwing a spear or a pencil.

 

[jontherev]

As mentioned further upthread, Power Throw is not Power Attack, and lacks the light/one-handed/two-handed distinctions of Power Attack. You get the 1-for-1 BAB/damage trade-off whether you're throwing a spear or a pencil.

I made a mistake inadvertently and am editing my previous post.