25th anniversary reprint of HeroQuest

[Dice4Hire]

Well, the kickstarter is offline due to an intellectual property dispute. I think that is a good idea, really.

 

[Scorpio616]

Moon Design looks to have slapped them with a C/D order in regards to the use of the trademarked name Heroquest in the US in order to ensure that their rights to the name of heroquest are protected. Since it's simply to protect the trademark and name (rather than substance more than likely), we'll see where this goes.

Kinda fishy that they even USED kickstarter. Spanish company that knew it could only legally sell the item IN Spain, picks the predominantly USA crowdfunding company? Much more logical to go with Indigogo, and I don't even LIKE indigogo.

Moon Design? The Glorantha setting ruleset for drama queens?

Who Prospers?

It is an unavoidable fact that all roleplaying games favor certain player skill sets. Where some games reward memorization, an instinct for math, and the willingness to comb through multiple rulebooks for the most useful super powers, HeroQuest tips the scales for creative improvisation, verbal acuity, and a familiarity with the techniques and stereotypes of popular fiction. - Introduction, HeroQuest Core Rules

Hmm, so the big fish haven't even said a thing about this yet.

 

[Slickam]

Moon Design put a statement up in the forums on BoardGameGeek. I'm quoting it below because there's some interesting information in it.

Hello all,

We want to give some background on the dispute surrounding Gamezone’s Kickstarter campaign to launch a remake of the hybrid board game/roleplaying game originally published by Milton Bradley called “Heroquest”.

Last week, Moon Design petitioned Kickstarter to remove the crowdfunding campaign for Gamezone’s “Heroquest” game. “Heroquest” is the registered US trademark of Moon Design and is the name of our “Heroquest” roleplaying game and assorted products. To allow a game using the same name to be promoted in the United States through Kickstarter without a license would be an unacceptable dilution of our brand and create market confusion to our detriment.

The trademark “Heroquest” is registered by Francis Greg Stafford with the United States Patent and Trademark Office (Registration Number 4082281) for use in game book manuals. Moon Design Publications LLC has the exclusive license for use of that trademark. For some time now we have been working on creating a board game called “Heroquest” pertaining to the mythology of Glorantha and an updated version of our Heroquest roleplaying game.

The project by Gamezone, a Spanish game company, proposes to remake a role-playing/board game originally produced by Milton Bradley and Games Workshop in 1989. The project calls their game “Heroquest” which is identical to our registered mark and easily confused with it.

Gamezone initially asked us for use of the Heroquest trademark on July 31, 2013. The next day we asked them if they could provide us with a copy of any written agreement with Hasbro to produce a 25th Anniversary Edition of Hasbro’s board game. Gamezone did not provide us with any written confirmation (and as of this date still has not done so). On August 26, 2013, we informed Gamezone by email that we must decline their request.

Despite being explicitly refused permission to use our trademark, Gamezone went ahead and launched this Kickstarter. As a New York State corporation, Kickstarter is subject to US trademark laws and the use of our trademark in the campaign was a violation of those laws.We told Gamezone that they needed to immediately get a licensing agreement from us (which, among other things, would require that they pay us for the rights to the name since it would mean foregoing our opportunity to release our game using our trademark and to compensate us for that lost revenue).

Gamezone did not get back to us within the period we set, and rather than have this end up in litigation (which could also bring in other parties with IP at stake), we asked Kickstarter to suspend the campaign. We then spoke to Gamezone informing them that we had certain non-negotiable demands for any license agreement, among them a statement that Gamezone has explicit permission from Hasbro to make this game based on their IP. Gamezone has assured us that they can get such permission, but until we see confirmation, we cannot responsibly license our trademark to be used in this Kickstarter campaign.

We sympathize with the fans of the Milton Bradley game who enthusiastically supported this project. We strongly support Kickstarter and the revitalization of old games with a loyal following. However, such activities must be done with the consent of the trademark holder and of any other legal owners of the property.

Regards,
Rick Meints
Moon Design Publications

 

[Cergorach]

Kinda fishy that they even USED kickstarter. Spanish company that knew it could only legally sell the item IN Spain, picks the predominantly USA crowdfunding company? Much more logical to go with Indigogo, and I don't even LIKE indigogo.

Guess where Indiegogo is base... San Fransico...

What I find strange is that a Spanish business that uses the Canadian branch of a company can be forced to conform to another countries laws (US). That is like saying that US based companies can't sell alcohol to countries that sell it to young people between 18-21, because it's against US laws...

 

[darjr]

Guess where Indiegogo is base... San Fransico...

What I find strange is that a Spanish business that uses the Canadian branch of a company can be forced to conform to another countries laws (US). That is like saying that US based companies can't sell alcohol to countries that sell it to young people between 18-21, because it's against US laws...

Actually I think it's more like they forced an American company (kickstarter) to take down the kickstarter.

 

[Scorpio616]

Guess where Indiegogo is base... San Fransico...

Ah, so it just makes itself more accessible to EU projects?

 

[Cergorach]

Ah, so it just makes itself more accessible to EU projects?

Not so strange, as KS had pretty much ignored that market completely (with the exception of the UK, which was opened up a year ago).

 

[darjr]

http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2013/12/heroquest-25th-anniversary-kickstarter.html

Tenkar reports that the Spanish company will try a Spanish group fund site. Also he talks about some other shenanigans.

 

[tenkar]

and the Spanish crowdfunding site Verkami just took the project down.

http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2013/12/heroquest-25th-anniversary-project.html

 

[Fiddleback]

For those attempting to keep score at home: http://www.madadventurers.com/gamezones-heroquest-kickstarter-debacle-continues/