*sigh*
When was the PHB published?
When was the DMG published?
Now, here's what I wrote-
"When 1e was released with the PHB, it defaulted to OD&D state generation since the DMG wasn't out."
Do you understand what I wrote now? Good.
I quoted the text in the PHB. Don't like it, take it up with Gary. Besides, there were only a few months between the PHB and DMG. Are you really arguing that most people defaulted to 3d6 in order because that's what they knew in 1978 in those brief months between the publications, as opposed to an exponentially higher number of gamers over the following 10 years when they had both book available? Needless, so say, I'd find that very dubious. How many D&D players were there in 1978 compared to the amount that started after 1979? And then also assume that when the DMG did come out a few months later, all of those gamers from 1978 kept 3d6 in order instead of doing what the DMG advised?
And please refrain from the condescension. It's unbecoming. Especially when you can't refute my arguments with actual evidence.
The other part you wrote is incorrect as well- it did not say to use method 1, and I quoted the exact part stating there were four alternatives.
Yes, yes it did. It literally said that 3d6 wouldn't get good results, and if you're serious, to use the other methods instead, starting with Method I: 4d6 drop lowest. It's right there in the DMG, look it up. There is a reason 4d6 drop lowest was
Method I, instead, of say...method V like in 2e.
Look, your "argument" is basically, "Look guys, I just learned that 2e increased the toughness of dragons!"
Good for you. The rest is BS, but you're welcome to your opinion, as incorrect as it may be. I mean, when you keep making statements like:
"Not sure how one can argue 2e is not more lethal"
It's clear you're not looking for discussion, but validation. And you're not getting that from me.
I don't know what your problem is, but of the two of us, it seems like it's you who isn't looking for a discussion. I haven't just said, "Look guys, I just learned that 2e increased the toughness of dragons!" I gave a pretty detailed list of examples. Examples you seem to be ignoring. Then you accuse me of being wrong when I literally pointed out to you where it's coming from. This isn't my opinion. And it's not BS. It's text literally from the rulebooks.