D&D 3E/3.5 3.5 Barbarian Question

Shadow Kurimeki

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I have a question, I'm a new DM to my group and a player asked if they could use Spring Attack to do an attack action like move 15 ft and then hit something and if they dropped the creature to 0 hp finish the move and use cleave to attack another creature. I don't see why not, but if I'm wrong please explain so I can understand. Thank You
 

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Okay, to make sure I understand the question.

The plan is, use Spring Attack to advance 15 feet towards an opponent, drop them, then move another 15 feet (or less) to another opponent and Cleave them?

No.

SRD said:
[GENERAL]
Prerequisites: Str 13, Power Attack.
Benefit: If you deal a creature enough damage to make it drop (typically by dropping it to below 0 hit points or killing it), you get an immediate, extra melee attack against another creature within reach. You cannot take a 5-foot step before making this extra attack. The extra attack is with the same weapon and at the same bonus as the attack that dropped the previous creature. You can use this ability once per round.
Special: A fighter may select Cleave as one of his fighter bonus feats.
The key word is "immediate". The next target must be within reach at the time you drop the first one.
 

The key word is "immediate". The next target must be within reach at the time you drop the first one.

This is correct. You cannot move between killing one foe and cleaving the next. They must be within reach.

I believe there is a class feature that allows taking a 5'-step or moving between cleave attempts, but I don't recall for sure.
 

but you know what? I'd give it to them, or let them trade in a class feature level or somesuch for the ability.


Think about it, just how frequently is it that this barbarian will fell a foe, on a charge, in a single hit. It can happen, sure, but it's relatively unlikely.


However, let's say this Barb tries to do a "dance of death" all the time. He still has to activate his spring attack (this is key), run up, fell the foe in a single hit, and then move on to the next, and have enough moves to make it if they're significantly spaced apart.



Actually, here's what you do with that Player, allow him to choose an Animal (or a few) that his tribe reveres. Then remove uncanny dodge, trap sense, and improved uncanny dodge.

In return they get the dodge feat, the mobility feat, and "berserkergang".

Berserkergang: This feat duplicates the feat "Spring Attack" with one significant difference. While raging, a character with the cleave feat may use their remaining movement squares after successfully cleaving a foe, in order to strike an additional foe.
 


Check out Complete Warrior. There are a lot of feats in there and the Prc Knight Defender gets Supreme Cleave or something like that.
 


Cleave [General]
Prerequisites
Str 13, Power Attack.

Benefit
If you deal a creature enough damage to make it drop (typically by dropping it to below 0 hit points or killing it), you get an immediate, extra melee attack against another creature within reach. You cannot take a 5-foot step before making this extra attack. The extra attack is with the same weapon and at the same bonus as the attack that dropped the previous creature. You can use this ability once per round.

Special
A fighter may select Cleave as one of his fighter bonus feats.


Related topic...
http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/172019-tripped-up-over-cleave.html
 

The phrase "Leap Attack Shock Trooper Battle Jump" comes to mind.


So, to pull off what he wants to (including the above)... He'd need:

Dodge
Mobility
Spring Attack
Power Attack
Cleave
Leap Attack
Shock Trooper
Battle Jump



Okay.... If he wanted to devote that much of his characters potential to it... wouldn't have much problem with it.
 

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