D&D 3.x 3.5: Out With A Whimper

[Rechan]

I'm sorry could you point to where EXACTLY I said that Nick Louge and Ari were putting out crap.

POINT TO IT. QUOTE ME.

No inferences, show me when I said that.

If it's not clear that I was addressing in the point that even though something was free it's not immune to critique then you need to RE-READ what I wrote.

I did re-read.

It was said that Dragon and Dungeon were being given away for free.

You responded so what if it's free if it's still crap.

I asked if you thought what's being put out is crap.

If that's not what you meant, fine, I misunderstood. But you don't have to be belligerent about it.

Dont be a jerk

Don't personally insult.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

I did re-read.

It was said that Dragon and Dungeon were being given away for free.

You responded so what if it's free if it's still crap.

I asked if you thought what's being put out is crap.


Don't personally insult.

Let's take this to email.

 

[Rechan]

Let's take this to email.

No thank you. I'm not really that invested in it.

If I mistook your intention, then my mistake. But there is no reason to go to email over it. And given your tone, I'd rather not get into a shouting match, here or in my inbox.

 

[Reynard]

Why is everyone saying that the OP is saying that 4E is crap? I don't get it.

What the OP said is:

"WotC dumped 3.5 6 or 9 months before they had 4E ready. How are they going to keep going in between? Why didn't they produce something to sell in between? Why the suddenness of it all, and the gap in new product (and thus, revenue for WotC) that it's producing? Was it a good idea for them to handle the matter this way? Or was it some kind of knee-jerk decision that's going to cause them problems from a dead period of sales?"

Which, IMO, are very good questions.

Thank you.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

No thank you. I'm not really that invested in it.

If I mistook your intention, then my mistake. But there is no reason to go to email over it. And given your tone, I'd rather not get into a shouting match, here or in my inbox.

Then the next time actually read what I wrote in the context that it was written and dont come at me with something I never said.

Vigilance:
"Given that it's free to us,complaining about how they chose to use that space seems a little off"

Wolfspider:
"Eh, I dont know. Even if something is free, it can still be criticized"

Me:
"Exactly, I used to go to plenty of free movie screenings. If a free movie is crap I'm not supposed to say so because it's free"

Now, unless I missed something, nowhere in that exchange did I say that Louge and Ari's work was crap. I specifically agreed that because something is free that it wasnt immune from critique.

So yeah, I think you misread what I wrote, PURPOSEFULLY. To what end I'm not sure. But now you stand corrected.

You're welcome.

 

[Rechan]

Now, unless I missed something, nowhere in that exchange did I say that Louge and Ari's work was crap. I specifically agreed that because something is free that it wasnt immune from critique.

Wait, you were agreeing with Wolfspider? Your entire answer sounded like Sarcasm to me.

I don't see how its status as free prevents one from having a negative opinion of a movie; I can turn on the Sci-Fi channel, watch a movie I didn't pay for, and say "That is crap" easily.

Thus, I read it as being facetious.

So yeah, I think you misread what I wrote, PURPOSEFULLY. To what end I'm not sure.

Now who is coming at who?

Could you please adjust your tone? I am not coming at you or attacking you here, but you're coming off as very angry.

 

[Bishmon]

Just drop it, guys.

 

[Dausuul]

What the OP said is:

"WotC dumped 3.5 6 or 9 months before they had 4E ready. How are they going to keep going in between?"

Even if they didn't have a bunch of other product lines (M:TG, Star Wars Saga, DDM, et cetera), some of which bring in way more money than D&D, I doubt it would be a problem. As I said, established businesses can weather these dry spells, as long as they know the dry spell is coming, have time to prepare, and have a solid revenue source waiting at the end of it. And the release of 4E will mean a flood of cash.

"Why didn't they produce something to sell in between?"

Such as what? Nothing 3.5E is going to sell very well now that everyone knows 4E is on the way. And once 4E actually does come out, 3.5E sales will pretty much cease. It makes no sense to produce a new 3.5E book when the best possible outlook is mediocre sales through next June, and zero sales after that. I doubt it would even earn back the cost of development.

Of course, they could produce a few "preview" books showing the design philosophies behind 4E and showcasing the new races and classes... oh, wait a second...

"Why the suddenness of it all, and the gap in new product (and thus, revenue for WotC) that it's producing?"

The suddenness was because WotC knew their 3.5E sales would plummet as soon as 4E was announced, so they held off on announcing it as long as they felt they could. The gap in new product is because they know new product won't sell.

"Was it a good idea for them to handle the matter this way? Or was it some kind of knee-jerk decision that's going to cause them problems from a dead period of sales?"

I really can't see a better way for them to handle it. Seems like pretty smart business to me.

 

[Wormwood]

 

[Rechan]

Not helping.