D&D 3.x 3.5: Out With A Whimper

Bishmon said:
Just drop it, guys.

Seems more like a communication problem centered around the inefficiency of the internet to provide tone than anything else, to me, so it is probably best dropped.

On topic --

When WotC announced 4E, they were already 2 years into development on it and they knew it would be 9 months before the game appeared. What I am wondering is, I guess, why it does not seem that there was a plan in place to keep 3.5 going at full steam up until the launch of 4E. Whether there was an issue of learning curve at the new edition's launch or not isn't the point -- the point is that people who are invested in D&D, hagving fun playing it are more likely, it would seem, to rush out and buy the new edition when it hits the shelves.

Look at it this way -- people start wrapping up their 3.5 camapigns now, because they know the game is "dead". they grab that copy of Exalted or Buffy or whatever that has been gathering dust on their shelf for months or years and start that game. they like it. they have fun. they stop thinking about 4E and start thinking about the cool new releases for the game they are currently playing[/] instead. or, worse yet, they don't have any other games on their shelves, because the only game they play is D&D. So instead of starting up a new campaign, they fire up their playstations, x-boxes and PCs for the next six months and they just stop playing tabletop rpgs altogether. In neither case do you have a garaunteed sale of 4E when it hits the shelves anymore -- you have an ambivalent former D&D player that may or may not muster the effort to stay connected to what's happening with D&D despite the fact it isn't a part of their regular entertainment consumption any more.
 

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No, it's really not.

Rechan, Shin, please step back a moment and play nice, or just drop out of the thread if you can't.
 

Reynard said:
When WotC announced 4E, they were already 2 years into development on it and they knew it would be 9 months before the game appeared. What I am wondering is, I guess, why it does not seem that there was a plan in place to keep 3.5 going at full steam up until the launch of 4E.
Because it probably wouldn't sell enough to be worth the effort and cost to manufacture.

Not to mention, Paizo is doing a better job at it. They have two more adventure paths scheduled before the release of 4e. If you want 3.5 stuff, seriously, go to Paizo - it's top notch stuff.
 

Rechan said:
Because it probably wouldn't sell enough to be worth the effort and cost to manufacture.

Not to mention, Paizo is doing a better job at it. They have two more adventure paths scheduled before the release of 4e. If you want 3.5 stuff, seriously, go to Paizo - it's top notch stuff.

I am not going to argue with you on that front, I am just saying that WotC has a powerfully vested interest in people continuing to play D&D throughout the transition period, as well as what would seem to be a reasonable expectation of wanting to sell more stuff between now and then. Therefore, I am wondering why 3E is simply going to fade away, as opposed to go out with a (well supported) bang.
 

Reynard said:
I am not going to argue with you on that front, I am just saying that WotC has a powerfully vested interest in people continuing to play D&D throughout the transition period, as well as what would seem to be a reasonable expectation of wanting to sell more stuff between now and then.
Why?

1) As Dausuul pointed out, M:tG, DDM, etc is still being produced and sold.

2) I think WotC would actually be better off if people wrapped up their 3.5 campaigns and took a break from D&D. Like you said, reaching for that Serenity RPG or Buffy. Because after six months, people will be chomping at the bit for D&D, and hey look - a new edition!

It doesn't sound like sound business to keep publishing when you know most people aren't going to buy the product because they're not going to buy it with new rules right on the horizon.
 


Reynard said:
Seems more like a communication problem centered around the inefficiency of the internet to provide tone than anything else, to me, so it is probably best dropped.

On topic --

When WotC announced 4E, they were already 2 years into development on it and they knew it would be 9 months before the game appeared. What I am wondering is, I guess, why it does not seem that there was a plan in place to keep 3.5 going at full steam up until the launch of 4E.

There was simply no way to keep 3.5E going "full steam" right up to the 4E release--except to keep the whole thing under wraps until the day 4E hit the shelves, which would make a lot of people really mad. Otherwise, as soon as 4E was announced, 3.5E was going to start winding down, and it didn't matter how much 3.5E product WotC released in the meantime.

WotC has clearly recognized this. Instead of trying to squeeze a few last drops out of 3.5E, they're concentrating on creating buzz for 4E, keeping it on everyone's mental radar. It's a tried-and-true marketing strategy. Announce something several months ahead of time, then keep stirring the pot with teasers and hints and bits of leaked info, building up excitement so that by the time the actual release date rolls around, everyone is chomping at the bit to rush out and buy it.

You have to time it right, of course. If you announce too early, the excitement peaks too early and interest dies down. If you announce too late, you don't have time to build up a good buzz. But if you get it right, the result is huge sales on opening day, which kick-start the new product line and help you recoup your development costs.
 

How exactly are the sales for the books WotC has put out in the last month?

Exemplars of Evil, Elder Evils, etc?

And, they are going to be putting out Stormreach in February.
 

Frukathka said:
:uhoh: I could have sworn that I read somewhere that it was three years.

According to Races and Classes design work began in earnest during June of 2005, with preliminary talks happening in May of the same year.
 

Reynard said:
When WotC announced 4E, they were already 2 years into development on it and they knew it would be 9 months before the game appeared. What I am wondering is, I guess, why it does not seem that there was a plan in place to keep 3.5 going at full steam up until the launch of 4E.

Because once you announce the new edition, sales of the old edition go down.

Also, they haven't stopped making 3.5 material totally.

They are still releasing free 3.5 adventures right now.

How is that not giving folks some 3.5 to play?

They just don't think now is the time for new 3.5 crunch. Adventures? Yes. Fluff and previews? Yes.

But now is not the time for new PrCs.
 

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