[3.5] Wizards Chat Highlights

[drnuncheon]

Re: Paladin

This mount could appear in a locked room. The paladin could get abducted to cloud city and bricked into a pit, and poof! there's Trigger!

I'm still not seeing what's wrong with this. (Except perhaps the obvious question of why the paladin would want to summon his mount into a bricked-in pit. Maybe he's a halfling riding a blink dog?)

Here's how I picture it: the paladin drops to his knees, bowing his head in silent prayer. You hear the thunder of hooves from an unseen source. Behind him, a light flares as a portal to the celestial realms opens and a horse gallops through: pure white, almost seeming to glow. As it races past the paladin he stands, catching hold of the saddle and swinging himself up onto its back, spurring it into a charge against the evildoers...

C'mon. That's cool. It's dramatic. And it's no stranger than the cleric being able to summon celestial beavers in the same way.

J

 

[SimonMoon5]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Paladin's Warhorse

It's like the Lone Ranger summoning Trigger.

Yeah, Roy Rogers would be pretty pissed off if the Lone Ranger summoned Roy's horse.

And, of course, the Lone Ranger shouldn't be able to summon Silver... but that's because he's a *ranger* not a paladin.

 

[Thorntangle]

I know a lot of Living Greyhawk players are going to rejoice at the Paladin mount-summoning rules. There are a lot of LG modules out there that didn't take into account the liability of a Paladin's mount and several infamous mods led to a lot of mount deaths with no way around it. Can't take your mount on a boat? No problem now.

 

[InShambles]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Paladin's Warhorse

Yeah, Roy Rogers would be pretty pissed off if the Lone Ranger summoned Roy's horse.

And, of course, the Lone Ranger shouldn't be able to summon Silver... but that's because he's a *ranger* not a paladin.

Yeah, I don't even think Paladin had a horse, did he?

"Paladin, Paladin, where do you roam?..."

 

[shilsen]

Here's how I picture it: the paladin drops to his knees, bowing his head in silent prayer. You hear the thunder of hooves from an unseen source. Behind him, a light flares as a portal to the celestial realms opens and a horse gallops through: pure white, almost seeming to glow. As it races past the paladin he stands, catching hold of the saddle and swinging himself up onto its back, spurring it into a charge against the evildoers...

C'mon. That's cool. It's dramatic. And it's no stranger than the cleric being able to summon celestial beavers in the same way.

J

What he said.

 

[mmu1]

Re: Re: Paladin

Yeah, that damn Tolkien couldn't write his way out of a paper bag.

Huh? Tolkien certainly doesn't have horses showing up at convenient moments, as far as I remember... What's in the movie is another matter, and the way Shadowfax is introduced there most certainly is bad writing.

 

[Selvarin]

Re: Paladin

First of all, "Bucko" was my prison name, and I'll appreciate you not bringing up such a painful time for me. Second, why not let druids teleport the entire battle field to a forest full of thickets? Or let rangers mutate their opponents into their favorite enemy type? This mount could appear in a locked room. The paladin could get abducted to cloud city and bricked into a pit, and poof! there's Trigger! Wizards can't even summon their familiars.

It is just so clearly a game effect first with tag-a-long flavor to justify it.

And as far as those horses showing up in the nick of time in movies, that's just bad writing...a cheap way out.

Prison time? My apologies. Do they still send you roses? *j/k*

The comparisons you're trying to make are apples and oranges because the effects you're discussing would be too broad. in essence 'summoning' the paladin's warhorse is no different than the summon monster spells. I can see what you're saying but just because you can summon the mount into an underground vault doesn't mean a paladin should or would. There are likely certain restrictions on the ability (cannot summon when on another plane of existence, etc.) so I don't think it's a big deal.


And if it remans a big deal for you (which i suspect will be the case), you could

A) Ignore it. Horsey has to be pulled/rode from place to place, etc....

B) Provide an alternative ability. Instead of being able to summon his mount, perhaps the paladin gains the ability to use whispering wind (as the spell) once per day to call the mount to him, then at 9th level be able to use sending instead to get the message to his/her mount instantly. hell, spread it out so that at higher levels the paladin can summon the mount just like a summon monster spell, perhaps at 15th level.


Work with it a bit.

 

[woodelf]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Paladin's Warhorse

It's like the Lone Ranger summoning Trigger. Whistle for him, sure. Have him disappear after 4 hours, nope.

Well, maybe after 4 hours, Roy Rogers would want his horse back.

edit: doh! someone beat me to the punch[line].

 

[brehobit]

So a Palidin, in a dungeon falls into a 10' deep pit. He summons his horse to act as a step to get out, leaving said horse in the pit.

Does anyone really think that is the type of thing you want a paladin doing?

I agree 100% that this is a very very helpful addition to the Paladin's abilties. But it is a huge change from the last 20 years of what a Paladin's warhorse is. Plus I still argue that PCs will occasionally travel somewhere sleep for a few hours and continue traveling. Go 4 hours, sleep 8 go 4 more. The Paladin will have to bring along an extra horse (below 8th level) to do this. Very odd indeed.

 

[Welverin]

So a Palidin, in a dungeon falls into a 10' deep pit. He summons his horse to act as a step to get out, leaving said horse in the pit.

Couldn't this easily be solved by saying it doesn't appear out of nowhere, but works more like how Gandalf summons Shadowfax (in tTT movie that is)? This would allow a paladin to have his horse when it's useful, keep it out of the way when it would be really troublesome, but also prevent ridiculous situations like the one you described.

The inten of the change seems to be to make the ability a benefit and not a hinderance. So apply some common sense in deciding what situations it can be used in. Explain it however you like.