300 seconds of the movie 300

[shilsen]

So stop trying to make some sort of point about how the movie doesn't need to be historically accurate to be good as if that rebuts some point I have made. I get that. I pointed that out in my first post in this thread. A Knight's Tale wasn't awful because of the anachronisms and bad history. It was awful because of the lousy writing, poor acting and terrible directing. From what the clips have shown of 300, it shares those characteristics with A Knight's Tale.

Not everybody here is defending the movie (which it doesn't need, IMNSHO) from your criticism on the basis of historical accuracy. Some people, such as myself, were pointing out that you've been phrasing your criticism as if it's objective and unarguable, when it's just an opinion based on a bunch of clips. IMNSHO, your posts need an "IMNSHO"

One thing which I also find curious is the habit that some people, such as yourself in this case, have of dropping into a thread which is about a particular subject that others are getting enthused about, to say nothing more than that they hate it. Maybe it's just me, but if there's something that I dislike or have no interest in, I don't see how throwing that opinion into a forum where people who like the subject are discussing it is at all productive or helpful in any way. But, as I said, maybe that's just me.

 

[Mistwell]

This kind of stuff:

 

[Pbartender]

For what it is worth, I hated Knights Tale, and loved 300. I know a lot of folks liked Knights Tale. I'm just not one of them. I love queen music, I hated it in that movie, and that is just one of the things that bugged me about that movie.

Yeah... It's one of those things about making such a distinctively stylistic movie -- Knight's Tale and 300 aren't the only ones out there, but are two excellent examples. If the style grabs you, you'll love it, but if it doesn't, at best you don't care for it and at worst you hate it.

 

[Berandor]

One thing which I also find curious is the habit that some people, such as yourself in this case, have of dropping into a thread which is about a particular subject that others are getting enthused about, to say nothing more than that they hate it. Maybe it's just me, but if there's something that I dislike or have no interest in, I don't see how throwing that opinion into a forum where people who like the subject are discussing it is at all productive or helpful in any way. But, as I said, maybe that's just me.

Well, the topic of this thread is not "300 rocks my socks off" but "300 seconds of the movie 300", i.e. a discussion about the clip and, by extension, the movie. So negative opinions have just as much place here as positive ones.

In my not so humble opinion.

 

[Storm Raven]

Not everybody here is defending the movie (which it doesn't need, IMNSHO) from your criticism on the basis of historical accuracy. Some people, such as myself, were pointing out that you've been phrasing your criticism as if it's objective and unarguable, when it's just an opinion based on a bunch of clips. IMNSHO, your posts need an "IMNSHO"

I would think that most opinion pieces are obviously such, mine included. If you go back, you might note the many times in my comments in which I said "my opinion" or "looks to me like" and similar statements. I don't think I need to use the cute acronym if I have already conveyed the same sentiment using actual text. And I have said that my opinion is based on a collection of clips, clips that include more than just combat scenes by the way, and even when they aren't in combat the dialogue in the movie looks like Humogous yelling at the inhabitants of the gas fortress. (Of course, to harp a little on the historical silliness, having a Spartan talking about defending "a new era of freedom" is absurdly silly). The acting that has been in the clips has been such over the top examples of scenery chewing that it makes the films look inspid and embarrasing. And this is what the producers chose as the "best foot forward" for their work. Color me unimpressed.

One thing which I also find curious is the habit that some people, such as yourself in this case, have of dropping into a thread which is about a particular subject that others are getting enthused about, to say nothing more than that they hate it. Maybe it's just me, but if there's something that I dislike or have no interest in, I don't see how throwing that opinion into a forum where people who like the subject are discussing it is at all productive or helpful in any way. But, as I said, maybe that's just me.

I'm sorry, I didn't see the "only people jazzed about the movie should post here" tag. I thought this was a discussion thread that was based upon the clips that have been presented. And, you know, discussion usually means that you might have varying viewpoints. Including viewpoints that review the material being talked about and say "yuck".

 

[Wormwood]

Miller's 300 is one of my all-time favorite graphic novels---and I had grave reservations that a faithful adaptation could *ever* be produced in today's Hollywood. I am happily mistaken, if the clip I saw is any indication.

Snyder appears to have taken the artistic risk of treating Miller's comic book panels essentially as storyboards (a technique which paid off beautifully in Sin City).

The risk paid off, IMNSHO.

 

[Pbartender]

I'm sorry, I didn't see the "only people jazzed about the movie should post here" tag. I thought this was a discussion thread that was based upon the clips that have been presented. And, you know, discussion usually means that you might have varying viewpoints. Including viewpoints that review the material being talked about and say "yuck".

As someone who's looking forward to seeing the movie this weekend, I've got to agree with you here, Storm Raven.

In all honesty, I was far more impressed by the clips shown in the other trailers and previews than this one. While I don't think it's a particularly bad battle scene, I just didn't see anything especially impressive about it.

 

[shilsen]

Well, the topic of this thread is not "300 rocks my socks off" but "300 seconds of the movie 300", i.e. a discussion about the clip and, by extension, the movie. So negative opinions have just as much place here as positive ones.

In my not so humble opinion.

I probably wasn't clear enough there. I wasn't saying Storm Raven, or anyone else, shouldn't be posting negative comments if they want to. I was just making a comment that I very rarely, if ever, feel impelled to post in a thread purely to be negative about the subject, and I find it interesting that many people do.

 

[John Q. Mayhem]

Snyder appears to have taken the artistic risk of treating Miller's comic book panels essentially as storyboards (a technique which paid off beautifully in Sin City).

The risk paid off, IMNSHO.

Freakin' amen!

 

[replicant2]

Not to upset anyone's apple cart, but--a giant? An 8 or 9 foot tall man whom the Persians have to keep in chains so he doesn't kill their own, then "turn him loose" on the enemy?

I understand the movie is not even pretending at historic realism, but this was a bit much. It smacks too much of the cave troll scene in the Mines of Moria, methinks, as though the director had LOTR in his eyes.

Don't get me wrong, I'll still see it. I guess I'm in the camp of, I'd go in with a perfectly open mind and a smiling face if 300 were named something else--"Blood of heroes," for instance--and had no designs of retelling or even reinterpreting history. Were this the case there'd be no discussion from me. I'd eat it up.

But the fact that it is based, however loosely, on a historic event, inevitably causes people to compare the film to the real event. Whether or not it's the filmmakers' intent, it's an inevitable byproduct of making a film about something that really happened. Hence my slightly jaundiced, though still interested, eye.