3G: Dungeons & Stereotypes

Let’s face it – stereotypes exist because there is some truth to them. I am a middle-aged man that is overweight, I have a beard, and I play Dungeons & Dragons. I did play D&D in my parents’ basement as a teenager. But those things do not mean I have not had relations with a woman of the female persuasion. I have four kids. And my wife plays D&D. And Magic the Gathering. And she could...

Let’s face it – stereotypes exist because there is some truth to them. I am a middle-aged man that is overweight, I have a beard, and I play Dungeons & Dragons. I did play D&D in my parents’ basement as a teenager. But those things do not mean I have not had relations with a woman of the female persuasion. I have four kids. And my wife plays D&D. And Magic the Gathering. And she could kick your butt at Castlevania back in the day.

So when I see gamer stereotypes portrayed on TV, I have mixed emotions. On the one hand, I’m glad that my favorite pastime is trickling into mainstream America. On the other, I’m frustrated that the stereotypes are being perpetuated, and that most of the portrayals are inaccurate. It’s one thing to make fun of D&D – it’s another to make fun of it while doing it wrong!

They’ve played D&D on Big Bang Theory several times over the years, most recently the episode that aired this past week (“The Love Spell Potential”). They’ve played D&D on Community, and on Freaks and Geeks. In every case, they’ve done something I’ve never seen in any game I’ve ever played – the DM rolls all the dice.

Why? What was the logistical conundrum that made portraying the game accurately such a difficulty? If it’s “all in good fun,” why give an erroneous portrayal? Why they be messin’ with my game???

Honestly, I can’t even begin to imagine why the change was necessary. They’ve got the DM screen; they’ve got the character sheets; they’ve got the dice! How hard is it to show more than one person rolling a d20?

I think part of why I take umbrage is the erroneous implication that rpg players are antisocial. Nothing could be further from the truth – socialization is a requirement to play the game. When the writers show the DM hoarding the dice while the players simply sit and watch, it promotes a false image of an activity that is already steeped in negativity.

I love D&D, and I love to share with those I think can appreciate it. I play online, I play with my local gaming group, and I play with my children. The last thing I want is for my girls to go to school and tell their friends or teachers we play D&D at home, and they think about what they’ve seen on TV. I think D&D is a positive experience, and I don’t want my children teased unduly.

There are a lot of pastimes of which people take a negative view, but I think that attitude is born of ignorance. I can’t fathom people enjoying watching sports – to me, it seems repetitive and devoid of intellectual stimulation. Obviously I’m in the minority, and I recognize that; I consciously try not to judge others based on their fanaticism for sports, just as I wouldn’t want to be judged solely for my love of D&D.

But I don’t see tv programs showing players running the wrong way around a baseball diamond, or carrying the soccer ball down the field, or kicking the football from player to player. I don’t see bowling with the wrong number of pins; I don’t see people playing poker with the wrong number of cards in their hands. Perhaps I’m overly sensitive, and production teams make all kinds of mistakes all the time, and I’ve never noticed – except when they portray people playing D&D.

Maybe it is ignorance of the subject matter, but I would think after seeing all the work that goes into making a television show that they wouldn’t skimp on research for that one element. Heck, you can’t tell me that SOMEBODY involved in making the Big Bang Theory hasn’t played D&D and couldn’t speak up. Surely SOMEBODY knew that the portrayal was wrong, no matter the show. D&D has been portrayed accurately – and with humor – in movies like The Gamers and The Gamers: Dorkness Rising. It can be done, so why won’t television do it?

Freaks and Geeks probably came closest to an accurate portrayal, so maybe I’m just being too sensitive. Perhaps it’s a symptom of my obsession. I WANT people to like D&D, and I can appreciate humor and good-natured ribbing, but I can’t help feeling the scenes I’ve seen give a negative impression of the game. I’m afraid of the negativity at a time when our hobby needs a serious positive boost.

There may be a certain prejudice involved in these portrayals; they’re being done for laughs, but perhaps the assumption is that such a small segment of the audience is actually familiar with D&D, so the actual details don’t matter. You could argue that it’s just the concept of roleplaying that’s being spoofed, but they call it D&D. When Big Bang Theory shows the guys playing cards, they don’t call it Magic the Gathering – it has a made-up name. Are roleplaying games so obscure that the activity can’t be spoofed without spoofing a specific game?

Is anyone aware of a positive portrayal of roleplaying games on tv? Am I wrong in my assumptions? Does it not bother anyone else? I must admit, I feel a bit like an old man shaking his cane at kids yelling, “Keep off my lawn!” Or Chris Crocker crying, “Leave Britney alone!” Leave D&D alone! I don’t want its name besmirched in the mainstream media. I don’t want it ridiculed and derided. I had enough of that in the 80s with Jack Chick.

Which brings me to another point. I heard of a couple of projects planning to turn the Chick tracts into a full-blown movie, and the producers plan to play it all straight. On the one hand, I think it will be hilarious – but then, I KNOW it’s a wildly inaccurate portrayal and the humor stems from the complete ignorance of the author. But the general public doesn’t know that. I fear too many people may take it seriously. Creators need to follow due diligence because the audience won’t. Recently Pat Robertson on the 700 Club made an erroneous reference to D&D – how many of his viewers simply accepted it as fact?

The bottom line is, I appreciate the humor, but I’d appreciate accuracy more. I’ll still watch Big Bang Theory (I only watched Community because of D&D – I don’t enjoy their style of humor), but a teeny tiny part of me died inside when Wolowitz said, “But only the DM rolls the dice.” The dice are for everybody man…everybody gets to roll the dice.
 

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But I don’t see tv programs showing players running the wrong way around a baseball diamond, or carrying the soccer ball down the field, or kicking the football from player to player. I don’t see bowling with the wrong number of pins; I don’t see people playing poker with the wrong number of cards in their hands.

Yes, you do.

Defibrillators can't restart a heart, they only stop erratic rhythms. The police don't have to read you your Miranda rights when they arrest you, only when they interrogate you. When people are killed, they evacuate their bowels and bladders. Also, gunshot wounds tend to bleed quite a bit more in real life.

Maybe not all cases are as gregarious as those you describe, but TV gets things wrong a lot. Especially when in comes to technical details. And you don't notice because you don't care. The important thing is that it adds to the plot and drama.

In the D+D episode of Community, Abed does all the rolling because it centralizes the focus. For each player to have to be given a D20, physically move to the center of the set, and roll, would have detracted from the drama. In BBT, having Penny break the mold of the DM rolling all the dice was a way of showing that her presence changed the game in a way that didn't interrupt the narrative or affect Sheldon's enjoyment. And they didn't roll damage because it was simpler for the plot to have a simple pass/fail mechanic.

Are roleplaying games so obscure that the activity can’t be spoofed without spoofing a specific game?

Yes. RPGs are tiny. It's easy for us to forget because we are all members of communities that support them, but pen-and-paper games really are just a blip on the cultural radar. And outside of nerd circles, D+D is the only name there is for pen-and-paper games. Pathfinder may eventually become mainstream enough to become reasonably known outside of the industry, but it's still an infant in terms of brand recognition and D+D has a 30 year head start.
 

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Southern Lady

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Maybe it's just because I'm female, but I can't believe that's what you took away from this... when all I could remember was the punch to the gut when Sheldon said, "I've never played D&D with girls before." and Penny said, "Oh Sweetie, no one has." But we had this discussion in real life so I won't rant more here. I'm an ORC not a Troll :p
 

Yes, you do.

Defibrillators can't restart a heart, they only stop erratic rhythms. The police don't have to read you your Miranda rights when they arrest you, only when they interrogate you. When people are killed, they evacuate their bowels and bladders. Also, gunshot wounds tend to bleed quite a bit more in real life.

You're absolutely correct. And some television shows have portrayed your examples correctly (Fringe springs to mind in regards to dead people voiding themselves), but most do not. And there are numerous other examples of inaccuracies portrayed for the sake of story, dramatic tension, or what-have-you...many space scenes in television and movies have explosions and swooshing noises, yet there is no sound in a vacuum (and I loved Firefly for its space scenes), and many dramatic car explosions simply wouldn't happen in real life.

And yes, I guess it bothers me because it's a subject about which I care. Maybe doctors get annoyed at the medical inaccuracies portrayed in medical shows, and police officers can't stand to watch procedurals like CSI or Law and Order for the same reason. I don't know, which is why I wrote the article. It's good to know I'm not alone, and it's cathartic to get the rant out. :D
 

Maybe it's just because I'm female, but I can't believe that's what you took away from this... when all I could remember was the punch to the gut when Sheldon said, "I've never played D&D with girls before." and Penny said, "Oh Sweetie, no one has." But we had this discussion in real life so I won't rant more here. I'm an ORC not a Troll :p

You were the first girl I ever played D&D with. Not even my sister would play until you did. But you're right, as usual...if people knew just how many of the old WizOs (and current ORCs) were women vs. men, I think they'd be shocked. Just goes to show, "Behind every great game, there's a woman." (Or something to that effect.) :p
 


Dethklok

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I find it surreal that most posters on this thread seem to care about how accurately a TV series portrays the details of D&D, when few gamers care about how accurately D&D portrays the details of fantasy adventuring. We've all heard people complaining about how armor protects against swords but doesn't boost your save vs dragonbreath, or how thieves can wear whatever color they wish without affecting their hide rolls, or how (in some editions) mages couldn't pick up swords, let alone use them like good old Gandalf. Who rolls the dice in televised depictions of D&D can't be any more important than this, can it?
 

delericho

Legend
I find it surreal that most posters on this thread seem to care about how accurately a TV series portrays the details of D&D, when few gamers care about how accurately D&D portrays the details of fantasy adventuring.

Because we actually know the details of the game, where none of us have actual experience of fantasy adventuring? :)
 


Dethklok

First Post
Because we actually know the details of the game, where none of us have actual experience of fantasy adventuring? :)
...Do you also think that the writers of Big Bang Theory would have no way of knowing that the players roll dice as well as the DM, without having played the game? Maybe you do; or maybe you're just pulling my leg. And either way, that's fine with me. It just strikes me as odd, that's all.

Speak for yourself!

*ventures boldly into the unknown*
*Follows Shayuri*
 

Oryan77

Adventurer
The D&D players in film are always the same "nerdy" types. I enjoyed seeing James Franco play D&D and act like he was having a blast. But then that was the whole point of that scene in Freaks & Geeks (a cool guy unexpectedly playing D&D).

There are plenty of charismatic and good looking D&D players around that you wouldn't identify as being a gamer. You also never see the players that look like bikers portrayed in film (I've gamed with several "biker" looking guys). Even the fan made D&D films you find online never portray players like this. They stick to the stereotype. Hell, not a single guy (or girl) in my group looks like the stereotypical D&D player now that I think about it.
 

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