3G: Dungeons & Stereotypes

Let’s face it – stereotypes exist because there is some truth to them. I am a middle-aged man that is overweight, I have a beard, and I play Dungeons & Dragons. I did play D&D in my parents’ basement as a teenager. But those things do not mean I have not had relations with a woman of the female persuasion. I have four kids. And my wife plays D&D. And Magic the Gathering. And she could...

Let’s face it – stereotypes exist because there is some truth to them. I am a middle-aged man that is overweight, I have a beard, and I play Dungeons & Dragons. I did play D&D in my parents’ basement as a teenager. But those things do not mean I have not had relations with a woman of the female persuasion. I have four kids. And my wife plays D&D. And Magic the Gathering. And she could kick your butt at Castlevania back in the day.

So when I see gamer stereotypes portrayed on TV, I have mixed emotions. On the one hand, I’m glad that my favorite pastime is trickling into mainstream America. On the other, I’m frustrated that the stereotypes are being perpetuated, and that most of the portrayals are inaccurate. It’s one thing to make fun of D&D – it’s another to make fun of it while doing it wrong!

They’ve played D&D on Big Bang Theory several times over the years, most recently the episode that aired this past week (“The Love Spell Potential”). They’ve played D&D on Community, and on Freaks and Geeks. In every case, they’ve done something I’ve never seen in any game I’ve ever played – the DM rolls all the dice.

Why? What was the logistical conundrum that made portraying the game accurately such a difficulty? If it’s “all in good fun,” why give an erroneous portrayal? Why they be messin’ with my game???

Honestly, I can’t even begin to imagine why the change was necessary. They’ve got the DM screen; they’ve got the character sheets; they’ve got the dice! How hard is it to show more than one person rolling a d20?

I think part of why I take umbrage is the erroneous implication that rpg players are antisocial. Nothing could be further from the truth – socialization is a requirement to play the game. When the writers show the DM hoarding the dice while the players simply sit and watch, it promotes a false image of an activity that is already steeped in negativity.

I love D&D, and I love to share with those I think can appreciate it. I play online, I play with my local gaming group, and I play with my children. The last thing I want is for my girls to go to school and tell their friends or teachers we play D&D at home, and they think about what they’ve seen on TV. I think D&D is a positive experience, and I don’t want my children teased unduly.

There are a lot of pastimes of which people take a negative view, but I think that attitude is born of ignorance. I can’t fathom people enjoying watching sports – to me, it seems repetitive and devoid of intellectual stimulation. Obviously I’m in the minority, and I recognize that; I consciously try not to judge others based on their fanaticism for sports, just as I wouldn’t want to be judged solely for my love of D&D.

But I don’t see tv programs showing players running the wrong way around a baseball diamond, or carrying the soccer ball down the field, or kicking the football from player to player. I don’t see bowling with the wrong number of pins; I don’t see people playing poker with the wrong number of cards in their hands. Perhaps I’m overly sensitive, and production teams make all kinds of mistakes all the time, and I’ve never noticed – except when they portray people playing D&D.

Maybe it is ignorance of the subject matter, but I would think after seeing all the work that goes into making a television show that they wouldn’t skimp on research for that one element. Heck, you can’t tell me that SOMEBODY involved in making the Big Bang Theory hasn’t played D&D and couldn’t speak up. Surely SOMEBODY knew that the portrayal was wrong, no matter the show. D&D has been portrayed accurately – and with humor – in movies like The Gamers and The Gamers: Dorkness Rising. It can be done, so why won’t television do it?

Freaks and Geeks probably came closest to an accurate portrayal, so maybe I’m just being too sensitive. Perhaps it’s a symptom of my obsession. I WANT people to like D&D, and I can appreciate humor and good-natured ribbing, but I can’t help feeling the scenes I’ve seen give a negative impression of the game. I’m afraid of the negativity at a time when our hobby needs a serious positive boost.

There may be a certain prejudice involved in these portrayals; they’re being done for laughs, but perhaps the assumption is that such a small segment of the audience is actually familiar with D&D, so the actual details don’t matter. You could argue that it’s just the concept of roleplaying that’s being spoofed, but they call it D&D. When Big Bang Theory shows the guys playing cards, they don’t call it Magic the Gathering – it has a made-up name. Are roleplaying games so obscure that the activity can’t be spoofed without spoofing a specific game?

Is anyone aware of a positive portrayal of roleplaying games on tv? Am I wrong in my assumptions? Does it not bother anyone else? I must admit, I feel a bit like an old man shaking his cane at kids yelling, “Keep off my lawn!” Or Chris Crocker crying, “Leave Britney alone!” Leave D&D alone! I don’t want its name besmirched in the mainstream media. I don’t want it ridiculed and derided. I had enough of that in the 80s with Jack Chick.

Which brings me to another point. I heard of a couple of projects planning to turn the Chick tracts into a full-blown movie, and the producers plan to play it all straight. On the one hand, I think it will be hilarious – but then, I KNOW it’s a wildly inaccurate portrayal and the humor stems from the complete ignorance of the author. But the general public doesn’t know that. I fear too many people may take it seriously. Creators need to follow due diligence because the audience won’t. Recently Pat Robertson on the 700 Club made an erroneous reference to D&D – how many of his viewers simply accepted it as fact?

The bottom line is, I appreciate the humor, but I’d appreciate accuracy more. I’ll still watch Big Bang Theory (I only watched Community because of D&D – I don’t enjoy their style of humor), but a teeny tiny part of me died inside when Wolowitz said, “But only the DM rolls the dice.” The dice are for everybody man…everybody gets to roll the dice.
 

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Gfreak2x9

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The terrible truth is that we cannot control how other people view us. We can scream, and yell but not matter what we do we cannot change the opinions of others no matter how hard we try! I think the negative image was born LONG ago. In fact if you Wikipedia D&D it has a few TERRIBLE stories of how this innocent hobby ended up as a negative label. Even as a twenty year old young man it is hard to tell people I am into things like D&D, especially when dealing with the opposite sex. No matter how suave you are, anytime you say "I play D&D every Thursday night" you risk that negative stereotype rearing its ugly head! The worst part is I know women who would really enjoy the hobby, but for whatever reason stay away. I'm not saying women don't play. I know a few women that do play, but as a whole I know MUCH more men than women! This negative stigma placed on fun loving, intelligent people is beyond insulting. I know people who would rather have their son grow up unhappy, then grow up a D&D player! It is a misunderstood hobby that should be embraced! How many adults loose their inner child, only to find they spent every penny on cigarettes, alcohol, or other means of self destruction! I think the world would be a better place if we all sat down and played a little more D&D! Give a yourself a few hours to forget about that jerk at the office, or the lady who cut you off on the freeway! Shut up and roll initiative already! There is a Beholder coming!!! Its a game! Mind you a complicated one, but a game none the less! You don't see people shunning baseball players do you? "Oh dear god! Hes got a bat! RUN children RUUUN!!!" So why do people do it to D&D?
 

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Jhaelen

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You don't see people shunning baseball players do you? "Oh dear god! Hes got a bat! RUN children RUUUN!!!" So why do people do it to D&D?
I have to admit, seeing someone with a baseball bat does make me feel uncomfortable. Of course, I'm living in Germany, and I don't think anyone here's actually using these things to play baseball...
 

Ragmon

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My theory: They only have 1 set of dice. That is why the DM rolls everything, so they don't complicate the scene by passing the d20 around.
 

An inconsistency that my wife pointed out after the fact -- Sheldon made a big deal about having bought a new set of dice! If only the DM rolls, why would he have dice?

But there's no trying to make sense of things. It's good enough that we discuss and make a connection over something we all enjoy.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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Possibilities:

1) Dice are totemic, even for him

2) He plays in more Han one group

3) He makes the DM roll his dice for his PC.
 

Alan Shutko

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I suspect the DM rolling all the dice is like each person eating Chinese takeout out of their own little box. It's not actually how things are done in real life, ....

I can't believe nobody has mentioned this yet. My friends and I did this all the time when we were in college! Either we didn't have enough plates and stuff or didn't want to wash them.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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Big Chinese food fan, but have only ever seen that on TV or in movies. Never even did it when living alone.

The closest I ever came was eating shrimp fried rice from the to-go container...but it was a huge clamshell, not a cute little box.
 

Alan Shutko

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I used to pace out my soy sauce packets because they only penetrated about an inch deep into one of those boxes. It got a lot better when we moved out of the dorms and didn't need to wash dishes in the bathroom or half the dorm away in the one kitchen they put in.
 

billd91

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Big Chinese food fan, but have only ever seen that on TV or in movies. Never even did it when living alone.

The closest I ever came was eating shrimp fried rice from the to-go container...but it was a huge clamshell, not a cute little box.

It depends on what you're getting and how you get it. If you've got the main dish in one container and rice in another, of course you get a plate to get both together. But a lot of places now, from Chang Jiang to Chin's Asia Fresh, sell combination platters that already have the two packed together. The only thing on the side is the egg roll. So now, many of us ordering Chinese food eat right out of the takeout box.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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None of the places I've eaten in the past couple of decades package their take-out that way. Everything is separated.
 

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