4e Change of mind

[Dice4Hire]

I would put my opinion of threads like this as option 4

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

One thing I find interesting about the poll results is that those who dislike the game comprise 55% of the poll...and that they are nearly evenly split between those who did and did not like the game when it came out.

OTOH, of the respondents who like 4Ed, less than 6% of them are people who changed their minds.

That's pretty polarized, and its not a good stat for 4Ed in terms of winning converts from previous editions. If this is actually indicative of the true nature of the RW D&D market as it stands now, it means that most of 4Ed's continuing success will depend mainly on those new to D&D with 4Ed.

 

[lutecius]

Except when the topic is a forum-crap.

Seriously. EVERY week we have this kind of poll. You don't need it that often.

Hey speak for yourself I need my weekly h4te fix

It serves no useful purpose other than to crap on the system you do not like. When is enough enough? When will people just be satisfied with the game they chose rather than insisting on telling everyone how much they dislike the system the did not choose, and seeking some sort of external affirmation from others that their choice was valid or popular?

Seriously, this thread isn't even about that. Many posters explained how they ended up liking 4e. No one tried to convince them that they were wrong (even though they clearly are )

 

[Oni]

One thing I find interesting about the poll results is that those who dislike the game comprise 55% of the poll...and that they are nearly evenly split between those who did and did not like the game when it came out.

OTOH, of the respondents who like 4Ed, less than 6% of them are people who changed their minds.

That's pretty polarized, and its not a good stat for 4Ed in terms of winning converts from previous editions. If this is actually indicative of the true nature of the RW D&D market as it stands now, it means that most of 4Ed's continuing success will depend mainly on those new to D&D with 4Ed.

I think it's more indicative of the fact that this site started as a 3e community and so the numbers are skewed here as a matter of system loyalty. I would be surprised if you got the same results if you polled at other places.

 

[Umbran]

Except when the topic is a forum-crap.

Dude, if you feel the topic is a forum-crap, thread-crapping is not a constructive response. Have you not noticed that fighting fire with fire around here just generates the taste of ash in everyone's mouth?

Everyone, please remember - Nobody forces you to read a thread. If you don't like it, go to one of the hundreds of others available.

 

[ruemere]

Voted: Positive, then negative.

Reason #1: GSL.
Reason #2: 4E is more narrativist than simulationist. There are systems which I prefer for narrativist approach.
Reason #3: 4E treatment of existing settings, lacking support for transition to the new system.

Warning: Rant ahead, not entirely on topic.

There are very good alternatives to 4E out there. For 3.5 fans there is 3.5 in numerous variations. For fans of simplified and unified resolution system, there are True20, M&M, C&C. If you want over the top fantasy, try Exalted.
I am against stifling creativity or monopolizing the market. I prefer straight competition instead of strangling publishers. So GSL was and is still a final dealbreaker for me.

Finally, to me book burning for _any_ reason is wrong (yes, I am a "bookophile"). Nothing changed this opinion of mine and this is the ultimate reason I am unlikely to support anything by WotC... anyone may point that it was both within d20 STL license and GSL license and therefore a legal thing. Still, I feel really bad about that, and to me it still constitutes abuse of legal system.
There should be at least terms for graceful expiration and possible mandatory release to public domain of licensed content instead of voiding right to exist.

Regards,
Ruemere

 

[Brown Jenkin]

I think it's more indicative of the fact that this site started as a 3e community and so the numbers are skewed here as a matter of system loyalty. I would be surprised if you got the same results if you polled at other places.

Well there is Paizo and Wotc boards as well. I think the results would be different at those two locations.

 

[Oni]

I would be shocked if they weren't, but I bet somewhere like rpg.net would yield different results too.

 

[Dannager]

Another way of looking at it is that only 22% of respondents to this poll were negatively influenced by the actual game. 78% of respondents (likely including self-selection bias in favor of those who changed their mind for the worse, since that's the thread title and such people are more likely to respond when they feel that their opinion in particular is being solicited) either like the game or weren't going to play it anyway. Furthermore, this is the internet, where one can be reasonably assured that your average tabletop RPG player isn't going to frequent because it's just another past-time. ENWorld (and most RPG sites out there) are populated primarily by the "hardcore" among the hobby, and such people inevitably see themselves as above the casual - this fosters a sense of collective elitism, which in turn fosters conservatism (used here as hostility towards change).

Given what objective evidence we have of 4th Edition's success, threads like this have little purpose, if any. They simply perpetuate an echo chamber mentality, which I think most would agree isn't helpful to a community at all.

 

[BryonD]

Given what objective evidence we have of 4th Edition's early success and following decline less than a year in, threads like this have little purpose, if any. They simply perpetuate an echo chamber mentality, which I think most would agree isn't helpful to a community at all.

(BTW: My initial negative was 100% influenced by the actual game)