4E Class Survivor - Round 2

[occam]

Two of my three favorite classes, shaman and warlord, look like they're going down.

Whatever. There aren't actually any classes I dislike, but if I have to pick... swordmage again, then invoker after that.

 

[mach1.9pants]

I agree that the swordmage is not my view of what it should be, yes defender/controller makes sense from a 4E base class perspective. However from a 'previous editions' perspective the Ftr was closer to a striker, 'defender' is an almost entirely 4Eism. So yes I was expecting a controller/striker too, and was disappointed.

And Wik, you love hitting yourself with the nerf bat LOL

 

[Invisible Stalker]

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Barbarians, Warlocks and Swordmages need to be shown the door as well.

 

[Imaro]

Kill the Warlord... any martial class who has an at-will power that is basically... "here you take an extra sub-optimal attack while I just stand here, no I insist"... needs to be shown the door. How is that awesome?

 

[Nai_Calus]

Kill the Shaman, Druid, Invoker, Warlord, Warden and Avenger.

Stop voting for Swordmage, people. The class is fine, the roles it fills are fine, and it's the only decent warrior/mage class pretty much ever.

 

[FireLance]

Kill the Warlord... any martial class who has an at-will power that is basically... "here you take an extra sub-optimal attack while I just stand here, no I insist"... needs to be shown the door. How is that awesome?

And yet, people complain that rogues use sly flourish too much...

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Still voting for the Warden.

I can't say I'm shocked that the leaders are getting voted off one after another. IME, leaders are usually the last role filled.

 

[Jack99]

"here you take an extra sub-optimal attack while I just stand here, no I insist"

There is nothing sub-optimal about a fighter's basic attack

 

[avin]

What? Shamans can't lose!

 

[Oni]

Ugh the invoker is so lame. I can't think of another class that inspires me so little as that fake god wizard. Blech.

Now please leave the shaman alone. It's probably the most complex and tactically interesting class in the game and all that without a splat book to back it up. Top that off that with an interesting flavor out of the box and one that can be refluffed a lot of ways and you've got something pretty cool.

I think the shaman (and the warlock) get picked on a lot because they're not as simple as the other classes.