I think that the OP is saying the ENworld is becoming extremely pro-4E. It's not like he said he hates everyone that likes 4E or that 4E shouldn't be discussed at all on these boards. You guys might be getting a tad defensive over a simple observation. He does have a point, though. ENworld has essentially been 4ENworld since August 17th of 2007.
4e lovefest?
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Crothian
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Shazman said:
4e is the biggest news to hit D&D since 3e. So, it makes a lot of sense for the biggest fan run D&D site to be talking about 4e. But it isn't as if 4e has taken over the place. There is one 4e forum. If you want to talk about more 3e stuff here go post about it. The reason 4e is so popular here it is what people want to talk about. But you can still try to get the 3e and other editions talked about if you want.
Henry
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Here's what bears repeating. 4e -- like it, hate it, or being indifferent -- is D&D, just like 3e, just like 1e, just like OD&D. Being the newest flavor of the month, and being designed by a plethora of full-time game designers, it is going to have a lot of "oohs" and "aahs" lavished on it.
Me, I'm still going to break out the love for Vancian magic and resource attrition when I'm playing 3e -- our group may yet decide that it'll mainly stick to 3.5 . Better yet, I may find a way to get them to visit older versions if I can find a way to tweak AD&D to keep the quirky things I love, but add enough character customization to make it fun for the 3e loving players. I'd love an edition that had enough race and class & feat combo action going on, BUT incorporate the "full volume" fireballs, bouncing lightning bolts, potion miscibility, system shock checks for haste, suffocation in web spells, etc. that I loved which used to be in the game a long time ago.
Piratecat
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Ah, see, it's all in the phrasing. If he had said "ENworld is becoming extremely pro-4E" I think I'd probably agree; a lot of folks are excited about it. Cloak the same message in bitter and vitriolic sarcasm, though, and it reads very differently.Shazman said:
I tend to be in favor of the more straightforward approach.
qstor
Adventurer
Piratecat said:
I have to admit I was a bit out of line. Just be a bit bitter over the 4e thing. Maybe it is the front page news. I didn't get out my flame resistant suit before I posted
It's more that 4e seems at least to me, driven by Hasbro more than a need for a genuine rules change like 2e to 3.x.
And to me a few years ago, even though ENworld seemed more edition neutral even though it was a 3.0 site than say Dragonsfoot and it seems ENworld now is a 4e cheerleader rather than being edition neutral.
Mabye its time to hibernate...
Mike
trancejeremy
Adventurer
qstor said:
Personally, I'm hoping someone starts a 3.x website, much like Dragonsfoot for the old D&Ds, so I can migrate there.
WhatGravitas
Explorer
Or stop visiting the 4E forum.qstor said:
General discussion is often pretty interesting - and an extra poster to enliven non-4E topics wouldn't hurt!
Cheers, LT.
Piratecat
Sesquipedalian
I hope not. This thread aside, I really like your posts.qstor said:
But I think you're kidding yourself about ENW being edition neutral. We've never been hostile to any editions (and edition wars make me irritable), but we've always been a site where the vast, vast majority talked about the current edition of the game. It just seemed edition-neutral because you were playing 3e!
For the first time since 2000, we're going to have our members playing and discussing two very different versions of the game. I'm not sure how we'll do. My guess is that we'll continue to have a friendly and active number of 3e folks, but that 90% of the site's members will convert over to 4e within six months. That's going to be the bulk of the conversation whether you or I like it or not. The trick will be finding the site areas for 3e discussion, and using the thread tags to focus on 3e threads.
If I had to make a guess (and we haven't solidified anything), the General forum will include both 4e and 3e threads. As is usual, much of that conversation will be edition-neutral. There will be separate forums for 4e Rules and 3e Rules. And the House Rules forum will be both 3e and 4e, since much of the discussion will be about converting one edition to the other.
Henry
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Same thing happened in the runup to 3e, from January to August of 2000, but since eric's forums were a bit cruder then, and it';s been through about four different changes, and the crowd has changed so often, the memories are a bit vaguer. All the talking up of 3e was how it was a VAST improvement over 2e, and all that had come before.qstor said:I have to admit I was a bit out of line. Just be a bit bitter over the 4e thing. Maybe it is the front page news. I didn't get out my flame resistant suit before I posted
It's more that 4e seems at least to me, driven by Hasbro more than a need for a genuine rules change like 2e to 3.x.
And to me a few years ago, even though ENworld seemed more edition neutral even though it was a 3.0 site than say Dragonsfoot and it seems ENworld now is a 4e cheerleader rather than being edition neutral.
Mabye its time to hibernate...
Mike
--oh, my God! characters get one hit die PER LEVEL! What kind of Video Game is this?!?!
--Characters heal their level in hit points per day?? That's crazy!
--Clerics can heal whenever they want? WHAT? I suppose adventurers will go all day now!
; sound familiar?
I remember every bit of it from here, WotC's messageboards, and rec.games.frp.dnd. However, Eric's community was a little calmer here about it, because it was the new kid on the block, and those older established communities were where the fighting was going on. Now, WE'RE one of the "older, established communities", and we're seeing the same stuff going on, albeit with more vigorous moderation.Similar Threads
