[4e][Paragon] Kombat Kraziness (closed)

[Victim]

Is there a save for being forced through the wall? The DMG uses a lot broader definition for saves and forced movement than the PHB. Anyone have a rules citation or thread on the matter?

 

[Victim]

A bad round for the monsters.

 

[Evilhalfling]

thanks for the retarget victim.

3 bloodied foes? - we should probably try and finish one off.
BB2 looks like a good candidate, too bad xax and glib cant shift to flank, unless someone has a push/slide power.

i'll move closer and throw something, although dropping a daily blade barrier could cause a lot of pain right now...

 

[Walking Dad]

No push and BB2, but you all are invisible to the normal mound until Reed's next turn.

 

[renau1g]

I'll admit I'm a bit lost as to whose turn it is as the game is moving along... I know its pretty complicated with all the enemies and PC's.

You're not waiting on my action right? It's currently round 4 and current initiative is Reed & Narbel... Stormrage will go then its Torments turn?

 

[Victim]

I'll admit I'm a bit lost as to whose turn it is as the game is moving along... I know its pretty complicated with all the enemies and PC's.

You're not waiting on my action right? It's currently round 4 and current initiative is Reed & Narbel... Stormrage will go then its Torments turn?

Yep. I'll do the full results and update for Erdric, Reed, Narbel, and the Stormrage, then it will be your turn - and the that of the other high initiative PCs.

 

[renau1g]

Perfect. Thanks and now that I'm back I'm sure it'll be easier to keep up.

 

[Graf]

Is there a save for being forced through the wall? The DMG uses a lot broader definition for saves and forced movement than the PHB. Anyone have a rules citation or thread on the matter?

I hate to put it this way... but if you don't know.... I don't think anyone knows.

My theory would be that its a lot like being chucked through a cloud of daggers, no save. The whole pushed->pits->free save thing is because deep pits and lava are all insta-death.
I *don't* think it extends beyond that to broader circumstances.

 

[Evilhalfling]

I think its more fun if you don't get a save. Pits are also a problem because they have a good chance of taking the target out of a fight (ie not fun)
wheras pushing people for more damage = more fun.

 

[Victim]

Comments on the rules board seem to hold a contrary opinion, and Hypersmurf makes the interesting point that the extra movement required to enter a wall of fire is not difficult terrain and thus still applies to forced movement. I never even considered that.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/241147-push-wall-save.html