D&D 5E 5E Survivor - Subclasses (Part VI: Fighters)

[Paul Farquhar]

Also not a fan of the inclusion of UA stuff, especially from way back. I don't know any tables who allow anything other than the most recent UA to be used, if that. It's Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Game.

 

[Aurel Guthrie]

Arcane Archer 19
Battle Master 22
Brute 18
Cavalier 18
Champion 19
Echo Knight 17
Eldritch Knight 23
Knight 20
Monster Hunter 20
Psi Warrior 19
Purple Dragon Knight 16
Rune Knight 19
Samurai 20
Scout 17
Sharpshooter 20

 

[CleverNickName]

Also not a fan of the inclusion of UA stuff, especially from way back. I don't know any tables who allow anything other than the most recent UA to be used, if that. It's Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Game.

Just so you know: I only include the most recent UA in these threads. If an UA subclass was later published in an official book, I will cite the book version. I do this to avoid confusion since almost all of the non-PHB subclasses were UA playtests at one point.

 

[JoeyD473]

Arcane Archer 19
Battle Master 22
Brute 18
Cavalier 18
Champion 19
Echo Knight 17
Eldritch Knight 23
Knight 20
Monster Hunter 20
Psi Warrior 19 + 1 = 20
Purple Dragon Knight 16
Rune Knight 19
Samurai 20
Scout 17 - 2 = 15
Sharpshooter 20

Edited cause two of us posted at same time. should be correct now

 

[Undrave]

Spoiler: In regards to UA material

It's as good a reason to downvote something as any other. But I wonder if people would actually be able to tell me which ones were Unearthed Arcana and which ones weren't, if I didn't cite the sources up top.

That might be an interesting experiment for future threads. I could "accidentally" label something as Unearthed Arcana instead of Xanathar's or whatever, and see if people downvote it out of reflex without even checking.

Also: many of the Unearthed Arcana versions are superior to the ones that made it into print elsewhere. Just sayin'.

Some of them didn't make it to books for a reason... for exemple: The Sharpshooter is interesting, but it's lv 10+ abilities are way too weak for the level you get them at. The Fighter Scout isn't completely awful, but it feels like a Battlemaster with the Skilled feat instead of being its own unique thing that fulfills the role of scout.

EDIT: fixing my scores because Paul posted juuust before I did. @Paul Farquhar , yes, too many knight, but how about you just get rid of the "Knight otherwise non specified" first?

I question why the Knight is even included here, when it's clearly just a first pass at the Cavalier? Feels redundant to have both.

 

[Argyle King]

Arcane Archer 19
Battle Master 22
Brute 18
Cavalier 18
Champion 19
Echo Knight 17
Eldritch Knight 23 + 1 = 24
Knight 20
Monster Hunter 20
Psi Warrior 20 - 2 = 18
Purple Dragon Knight 16
Rune Knight 19
Samurai 20
Scout 15
Sharpshooter 20

 

[Dax Doomslayer]

Arcane Archer 19
Battle Master 22
Brute 16
Cavalier 18
Champion 19
Echo Knight 17
Eldritch Knight 24
Knight 20
Monster Hunter 20
Psi Warrior 18
Purple Dragon Knight 16
Rune Knight 20
Samurai 20
Scout 15
Sharpshooter 20

 

[CleverNickName]

Spoiler: Beating the UA Horse

Spoiler: In regards to UA material

Some of them didn't make it to books for a reason... for exemple: The Sharpshooter is interesting, but it's lv 10+ abilities are way too weak for the level you get them at. The Fighter Scout isn't completely awful, but it feels like a Battlemaster with the Skilled feat instead of being its own unique thing that fulfills the role of scout.

I question why the Knight is even included here, when it's clearly just a first pass at the Cavalier? Feels redundant to have both.

The reasons you give for certain playtests not making it to final print are all matters of opinion, though. We can only speculate about WotC's decision-making process to get to that point.

The Knight was included for the sake of completeness. I agree that it was probably a first pass at Cavalier, and feels redundant...but since I have made the decision to allow UA content, I have to include all of it. Otherwise I'd be cherry-picking the list, and I don't wanna be That Guy.

Ya'll are gonna love it when we get to Mystic.

I will be very, very, very surprised to see an Unearthed Arcana make it all the way to the finals, and not just because of the bias against Unearthed Arcana materials. Most of the best options have been refined and published elsewhere, which is the whole entire point of a playtest.

If nothing else, I like how the UA entries give everyone something to focus their downvotes on in the early stages of the contest, which allows some of the other newcomers a chance to build support before they get blasted away by the "PHB Only" crowd.

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

Spoiler

I hadn't seen the Fighter Scout and HOLY MOLY! It's such a stinker! It's basically an awful Battlemaster with more skills... What were they thinking?

Spoiler

It's so amazingly bad, isn't it? Hey you don't want any actual subclass features, just to avoid multiclassing into 1 level of Rogue

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

Arcane Archer 17 two shots TWO SHOTS
Battle Master 23 like, look, four shots isn't great, but at least you can slum with Superior Technique or Martial Adept now
Brute 16
Cavalier 18
Champion 19
Echo Knight 17
Eldritch Knight 24
Knight 20
Monster Hunter 20
Psi Warrior 18
Purple Dragon Knight 16
Rune Knight 20
Samurai 20
Scout 15
Sharpshooter 20