D&D 4E A different leader type. The seer (new class) and balancing a proactive heal.

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
While thinking about the Bene Gesserit. And I came to the conclusion that one cool way to build them was as a race derived from the Deva and adding a feat Predictive Intelligence, to allow them to use Intelligence as the foundation for Monk powers. While doing this it occured to me that the core part of the Bene Gesserit was not necessarily their martial artistry though the more adventurer types that might work relatively well but rather as a leader.

The idea popped up perhaps for a new class maybe a more interesting psionic leader occured one whose effects tripped around predictive effects.

I was thinking of a different type of healing that might be based on Warning allies and immediately stopping the effect of an enemy attack it can even be after you see the amount of damage the attack would deliver appropriate since this is for a seer.
 

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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
An attack from a Seer might be shared visions

A high augmented effect of which might blinds the enemy perhaps with a backlash effect like some Malediction Invoker powers which impairs the caster in the following round but has much more massive effect on the enemy or enemies.
 
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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
The blind seer is a trope I think needs tweaked a bit more you are predicting things rather than seeing them, you might have blind fighting.

This class might have plenty of support for lazy lord functionality.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
There was a Dragon Magazine Theme for Seer and using a Lazy lord build warlord with the Seer theme might get me in the territory.

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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Here is how I built something like the idea ... via hybrid - but I think the Seer as a class might do it even more justice.

====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Eben Blind Seer, level 2
Deva, Invoker|Warlord
Covenant Manifestation: Manifestation of Malediction
Hybrid Invoker: Hybrid Invoker Reflex
Warlord Leadership: Combat Leader (Hybrid)
Hybrid Warlord: Hybrid Warlord Will

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 13, Dex 10, Int 18, Wis 18, Cha 9.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 13, Dex 10, Int 16, Wis 16, Cha 9.


AC: 19 Fort: 13 Reflex: 17 Will: 17
HP: 28 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 7

TRAINED SKILLS
Endurance +6, Intimidate +5, Arcana +10, History +12

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics, Bluff, Diplomacy, Dungeoneering +6, Heal +5, Insight +5, Nature +5, Perception +7, Religion +7, Stealth, Streetwise, Thievery, Athletics, Engineering +5

FEATS
Level 1: Battle Intuition
Level 2: Blindfighting Sentinel

POWERS
Hybrid at-will 1: Visions of Blood
Hybrid at-will 1: Direct the Strike
Hybrid encounter 1: Whispers of Defeat
Hybrid daily 1: Silent Malediction
Hybrid utility 2: Clairvoyance

ITEMS
Ritual Book, Ironscar Rod +1, Amulet of Protection +1, Adventurer's Kit, Rod Implement, Darkleaf Hide Armor +1
RITUALS
Hand of Fate, Dowsing Rod, Portend Weather, Seek Rumor
====== Copy to Clipboard and Press the Import Button on the Summary Tab ======
 
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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Perhaps making Blinding Shared Vision a Malediction Invoker Power ... could be appropriate regardless.

Or reflavor this one.... which well might just be perfect (shift damage to psychic)

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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
It occured to me if the Silent Maledication had deafen as an additional effect well that would be even more appropriate and mayhaps not overly powerful... and equally re-flavorable LOL
 
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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
RITUALS
Hand of Fate, Dowsing Rod, Portend Weather, Seek Rumor
====== Copy to Clipboard and Press the Import Button on the Summary Tab ======
I built this so quickly I am not sure where the Ritual training came from every once in a while character builder hiccups around rituals and practices. So a the moment I think it might be some weird coding fluke. Its thematically appropriate (could even be in the Theme but isnt) - I might have to actually do a multi-class as learned caster to actually get it in an official capacity
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
It occured to me that a refinement of hybriding might be If two classes both have ritual casting the hybrid should have it. If one has practices and the other has rituals perhaps they should get a choice. (My Warlords now get Martial Practices)
 


Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Proactive healing or maybe pre-emptive healing sounds a lot like a in-game representation of Heroism.
I was thinking of a Warning Shout to basically increase targets defense in response to an attack that would have hit and the Seer knows whether it would have hit and how much damage it would have done. But temporary hit points might work somewhat as well.
 
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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
There is a regular encounter power that one could give the character but you really need to have the Insightful presence for it to even make it close. Which I guess for this character is the correct concept anyway. But its only half damage for many things you might be defending against. (yea old damage on a miss phenomena)

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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
There is also a high level one actually named Warning shout which doesn't really seem high level to me.... but it does mean you can likely see no damage all the time.

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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Point being they need to act like 1 HS + d6 oer 5 levels worth of healing and I am not sure how the translation works.
 

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darkbard

Hero
I came to the conclusion that one cool way to build them was as a race derived from the Deva

Might also be fun to use Drow. No INT bonus, but Darkvision could be reskinned to be sensing surroundings via a sixth sense instead of vision per se. And Cloud of Darkness is a pretty fun way to transfer blindness to foes.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Might also be fun to use Drow. No INT bonus, but Darkvision could be reskinned to be sensing surroundings via a sixth sense instead of vision per se. And Cloud of Darkness is a pretty fun way to transfer blindness to foes.
That kind of hones in on the Blind Seer i was shooting for with Eben
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
So I guess is the Powerful Warning a good enough replacement for healing word if it were useable to 2+ times per fight like healing word and allowed to be selected after damage is rolled. With attribute bonus assumed for predictive seer. (Intelligence or Wisdom). I kind of want to merge in the movement from Warning Shout. To protect against an area of effect.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
While the warning model lacks a certain fix it later advantage... if can also alleviate immediate effects so there is that
 



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