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doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I'll freely admit that my American history is pretty patchy, and although I watched The Squire of Gothos relatively recently, I didn't associate that with Hamilton at all. That said, I didn't really mind the spoiler. Chances are that I'll have forgotten it long before I ever get a chance to see Hamilton in the theater. I just wasn't expecting a spoiler in a thread ranting about spoilers :p
It’s one of the best plays I’ve ever seen. Definitely worth the price of admission to see it if it runs in your general vicinity. I saw it at the Pantages Theater in Hollywood, which is a whole experience in itself, but the venue couldn’t distract from the play.

edit: also, yeah that is kinda funny. Fair. 😅
 


MNblockhead

A Title Much Cooler Than Anything on the Old Site
Hang out with me. People are constantly surprised that I don't even know about the existence of recent movies and series much less have the ability to spoil them. The advantage of being behind the times and not active on most social media is that I almost never am subject to spoilers. The downside is that when I start watching a series or watch a movie most people have already seen it. I've learned never to talk to people about anything I'm watching until I'm done. I generally binge watch a series or a few movies about once every month or two.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Also, the play itself spoils its own ending in the opening number. It's one of those things where the tension is more about seeing how the foretold ending comes to pass.

Like Romeo and Juliet. Which is a play.

Unlike Hamilton, which is a musical. ;)

Edit-

I should add that Hamilton is actually somewhat ambiguous in the opening number. Burr does end it with stating that he shot Hamilton, and the continual play of themes after that - throwing away your shot, speak and die, etc., all of it should tell you what happens. But there are people I know who did not realize that Hamilton would be killed by that! In other words, they still assumed that the shot wasn’t going to kill him. Maybe that tells us something about hope, or the need for better civics lessons, but …. Who knows. Maybe they just weren’t paying any attention???
 
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Ryujin

Legend
For reference:

 


Ryujin

Legend
Yeah, we definitely need to work on our education system. Some things shouldn’t be spoilers, TBH.
I think that non Americans could be given a pass. I'm a Canadian and knew about it, however, it was because of research I did as a kid, after seeing the afore-mentioned episode of ST:TOS. I had virtually no American History in school because... well, I'm not American.
 

Galandris

Foggy Bottom Campaign Setting Fan
I once read on a forum a comment about Rome season 1 ending with Caesar being assassinated by his nephew Brutus, and someone asking for a spoiler warning, stating that not everyone has seen the series in full at this point. I couldn't determine if the poster was serious or not, but I fear he was.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I once read on a forum a comment about Rome season 1 ending with Caesar being assassinated by his nephew Brutus, and someone asking for a spoiler warning, stating that not everyone has seen the series in full at this point. I couldn't determine if the poster was serious or not, but I fear he was.
I kinda get it -- not as to whether he gets assassinated, but whether the show is about his life, or if he's just in the first season. The spoiler isn't so much about Caesar as it is about when in the show it happens, and the consequential nature of the show. You get a very different show if it happens in the first episode, the end of the first season, or after 10 seasons (if there were 10 seasons).

But yeah, I'm stretching there!
 


Staffan

Legend
Also, the play itself spoils its own ending in the opening number. It's one of those things where the tension is more about seeing how the foretold ending comes to pass.
Yeah, some stories are all about the journey. They come out stating "This is the story about how X happened", and the enjoyment is in seeing the pieces come together. For those, saying "X happened" isn't really a spoiler, but you can still have surprises along the way that change the context of what happens.
In an early episode of Babylon 5, the Centauri ambassador Londo Mollari explains to another character that Centauri often have dreams about their moment of death, and that once he came to the station and met the Narn ambassador G'Kar, he recognized him as the person who would, at one point, strangle him to death. In a later episode, we see a glimpse of the future, when Londo has become emperor. But it turns out that he's been infested by a parasite that can control him, except for when he's just drunk enough to put the parasite to sleep but still retain enough sense himself, and in this glimpse of the future we see him do a heroic thing. But in order to keep the parasite from finding out and stopping it once it is again awake, he calls on his loyal friend G'Kar to kill him before it wakes.

So, "Londo will be killed by G'Kar" is not a spoiler. But "Londo will be killed by G'Kar because that's the only way for Londo to save his former allies from the parasite infesting him" is.

Other stories try to surprise you, by revealing something at some point that puts the rest of the story in a new perspective. The Sixth Sense is the classic here, where knowing the twist makes you see the rest of the movie in a new light. And of course there's regular old suspense, where you don't want to know what happens next until the story is good and ready to tell you about it.
 


Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
Behold, the movie TITANIC!

So …. The ship sinks.

#sorrynotsorry
I’m sure that M. Night Shaymalan could give us a version with a twist ending. Like…icebergs are sentient predators, and that one needed to feed.

Or there was a Siren involved…

Or the ship’s captain was a time traveling assassin sent to kill key passengers before ____________ could happen, and crashing the ship was the last chance he had.
 

billd91

Hobbit on Quest (he/him)
I’m sure that M. Night Shaymalan could give us a version with a twist ending. Like…icebergs are sentient predators, and that one needed to feed.

Or there was a Siren involved…

Or the ship’s captain was a time traveling assassin sent to kill key passengers before ____________ could happen, and crashing the ship was the last chance he had.
Sweet Christmas! Please stop, you'll just give him more bad ideas!
 




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