@Chaosmancer I am not going to quote again.
You wanted lawful good use of spells, I gave you three and you decided to turn them into evil, perverting the intent by comparing a temporary solution that can be reversed to a permanent one (lobotomy).
Your choice. It seems that you so much want to be the ONE winning your point that you will find evil where there is none and that you will ignore evil where it is really there.
There are ways to avoid and go around a zone of truth. We both know that.
All your solutions requires a lot more money and investment than a simple casting that might not be available at all. Permanent anti-magic zones??? To get rid of them, my solutions only requires either a greater restoration or simple willingness to comply. Ishhh...
I compared it to a lobotomy because there is no other process I can think of to represent such a massive destruction of self and mental capacity. And even that lacks the true depth of the destruction. Lobotomies do not remove a person's ability to understand language, or to communicate. Feeblemind is mental trauma on a scale I'm not sure has a medical term, because it probably more commonly leads to death from the sheer amount of trauma inflicted.
Ah, but you want to claim that the fact it can be cured makes it less terrible.
You are familiar with the Regenerate spell, yes? 7th level so within the same realm we are talking about. It allows the regrowth of limbs.
Does that spell make it any less horrific to take a man, amputate his arms and legs, cauterize the wounds, and transport him as a torso? I mean, it isn't permanent, so then it is less terrible, correct?
Actually, death itself is easily reversible. Why not simply kill them, then bring them back to life for their court date? A dead prisoner can't cause any problems after all.
Would a true Lawful Good Society really accept such practices? If not, why would they accept the horror of destroying someone's mind on the same premise of "well, we can just fix it later"
And, I also direct your attention to the final protest you made. "All your solutions requires a lot more money and investment than a simple casting". This is not an argument on the basis of morality. It is an argument on the basis of
convenience.
"It is just too expensive to keep criminals in a humane manner, why not simply destroy their minds and make them incapable of escaping. It is much cheaper and faster, and as a Lawful Good Society we should care more about doing things the cheapest way instead of the most morally correct manner."
No, it doesn't work like that. And many of the solutions I spoke of are actually lower level magic, making them easier to come across than a 7th level spell. Again, removing spellcasting foci, hallow and Private Sanctum for silence and turning off teleportation, then just a normal jail cell. A caster is not going to have much luck getting out of that, and their mind remains intact.
So, I deny that you provided a lawful good reason to utterly destroy a person's mind and personality.
I also notice that you made no claims to defend your usage of Geas. Which was also more about conviencen than any moral superiority.
As for the orc mothers.. Again your game your rules. But if that is how you want to see it, fine by me nothing in the rules prevents you to decide that.
That bold and underline "you" indicates you have a different opinion on how to see it.
So, how do you see it?