A quick (but possibly challenging) Vicious question

Gerion of Mercadia said:
You specify that I fall 100 feet - ok, got you there. :cool:
If I fall 100 feet, but the ground is still 600 more feet down - have I taken damage yet?

You haven't finished falling yet. You are still in the process of falling; the fall is not resolved.

IIRC It's not the fall that deals the damage, its the impact at the end.

I just quoted the rule for you. You take 1d6 damage for every 10 feet fallen.

Once the fall is complete, and damage is taken, is it reduced by DR?

Is the damage from a collapsing ceiling reduced by DR?

Unarmed strikes and natural weapons are specific subcategories of the general term weapon... or is my logical trapsense detecting a pitfall, specifically that "weapon" isn't a glosssary term? :eek:

I'm quoting from the definition of DR that you posted: DR reduces damage from a weapon, unarmed strike, or natural weapon. Is the damage from a fall damage from a weapon, unarmed strike, or natural weapon? Is the damage from a collapsing ceiling damage from a weapon, unarmed strike, or natural weapon?

The "Disruptive energy" comes out of the weapon IF AND ONLY IF the weapon strikes the target.

But it is not damage from the weapon. It is damage that would not occur were it not for the weapon; nevertheless, it is damage from a flash of disruptive energy.

Again, contrast with the Flaming ability.

Flaming: The weapon deals extra damage.
Vicious: The energy deals extra damage.

Note the difference.

-Hyp.
 

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Gerion -
You specify that I fall 100 feet - ok, got you there.
If I fall 100 feet, but the ground is still 600 more feet down - have I taken damage yet?

Hyp -
You haven't finished falling yet. You are still in the process of falling; the fall is not resolved.

Alright, continue the example - If I cast Fly instead of continuing to fall when do I take the 10d6 damage for falling the 100ft? Before or after the casting? Or never?

I just quoted the rule for you. You take 1d6 damage for every 10 feet fallen.

Once the fall is complete, and damage is taken.

Once the fall "starts", must it complete? It's not the falling that does the damage, it is the IMPACT at the end. The second question is answered in the same manner as the first, Impact cares little wether you hit the object or the object hits you.

Flaming: The weapon deals extra damage.
Vicious: The energy deals extra damage.

Q: Weapons (as you insist on using the undefined term) deal damage in one of three exclusive categories, slashing, bludgeoning and piercing. Of which of these categories is the extra damage? A: NONE

Why?

James McMurray said:
I'd like to augment this question with another: does it change if the ceiling was made out of daggers?

Darn, somebody is getting an attitude, and it isn't Me. :confused: Asking seemingly dumb questions to illicit flippant answers and expose the reasoning as "because I say so" instead of "its the rule" is my tactic. I'll just leave this one alone until tomorrow. :lol:
 

Gerion of Mercadia said:
Once the fall "starts", must it complete? It's not the falling that does the damage, it is the IMPACT at the end. The second question is answered in the same manner as the first, Impact cares little wether you hit the object or the object hits you.

And in either case DR has no effect, yes?

Q: Weapons (as you insist on using the undefined term)...

I'm not insisting; the DR rules insist. That's where it states that DR reduces damage from weapons, unarmed strikes, and natural weapons.

Since that's what DR reduces damage from, how does it make sense to use a term other than 'weapons, unarmed strikes, or natural weapons'?

Weapons deal damage in one of three exclusive categories, slashing, bludgeoning and piercing. Of which of these categories is the extra damage? A: NONE

Why?

Because it's not damage dealt by a weapon. It's damage dealt by a flash of disruptive energy.

-Hyp.
 


Gerion of Mercadia said:
Darn, somebody is getting an attitude, and it isn't Me. :confused: Asking seemingly dumb questions to illicit flippant answers and expose the reasoning as "because I say so" instead of "its the rule" is my tactic. I'll just leave this one alone until tomorrow. :lol:

So your repetitive stupidity is intentional? :D
 

Gerion of Mercadia said:
Alright, continue the example - If I cast Fly instead of continuing to fall when do I take the 10d6 damage for falling the 100ft? Before or after the casting? Or never?

You don't, since you don't complete the fall. The damage you take is from falling and completing that fall- without interruption (such as from a fly spell, or even a last-second feather fall spell. Thankfully, D&D more or less ignores inertia.


Once the fall "starts", must it complete? It's not the falling that does the damage, it is the IMPACT at the end. The second question is answered in the same manner as the first, Impact cares little wether [sic] you hit the object or the object hits you.

You're right it is the impact that does the damage. Hence, if you never impact, you don't take the damage from falling.

There have been rules created for D&D that deal with a falling creature/object impacting the ground (or other object), as well as rules made for objects falling on a creature/object.

To take damage from falling, you must actually impact something. If the fall is interrupted, you aren't falling anymore. If you fall again, you take damage according to the height of your new fall.

In the case of a character who cast fly and used his fly speed to fly to the ground, the distance is 0 and he takes no damage. If the spell ends while he's aloft, he has 1d6 rounds in which he falls 60 feet per round (like feather fall). If he's still in the air after that time expires, he begins a new fall.

In the case of a character who cast feather fall from high up in the sky. Say that he's a 800 feet up in the air, and that he's a 10th-level wizard. If he cast feather fall the moment he started falling, he'd float gently for 600 feet (this takes 10 rounds), then resume falling when he's 200 feet up. His falling was interrupted, resuming at 200 feet. Presuming no other interruption, he'd take 20d6 points of falling damage. He's no better off that he would be falling the full distance.

Clearly he'd be better off initially in freefall for two rounds (1st round 150 feet, 2nd round 300 feet are fallen), then cast feather fall at the beginning of the 3rd round. His fall is interrupted at 350 feet, and and reaches the ground 6 rounds later. He takes no damage, because his fall resumes when feather fall ends. That is, when he is on the ground (0 feet above the ground). No damage is taken.

He could save time and continue to fall in the 3rd round, casting feather fall when he's 50 feet above the ground at the beginning of the 4th round. He'd fall gently to the ground due to feather fall. As above, he takes no damage.

If you interrupt a fall, you take no damage. If you fall again, you take damage according to your new fall. If your new fall is interrupted too, you take no damage from that fall either.

Falls don't need to complete, but if they do, a creature object takes damage according to the "falling" rules. If an creature/object is struck by a falling object, they take damage according to the "falling object" rule. They are abstracted and work well enough, IMO.


Q: Weapons (as you insist on using the undefined term) deal damage in one of three exclusive categories, slashing, bludgeoning and piercing. Of which of these categories is the extra damage? A: NONE

Why?

Because they are energy damage, that's why. In the case of the flaming quality, it's fire damage. In the case of the vicious quality it's "a flash of disruptive energy".

Darn, somebody is getting an attitude, and it isn't Me. :confused: Asking seemingly dumb questions to illicit flippant answers and expose the reasoning as "because I say so" instead of "its the rule" is my tactic. I'll just leave this one alone until tomorrow. :lol:

As much as I like them, playing word games isn't exactly pertinent in a rules discussion though. Wouldn't you agree?
 

I wish I had more relevante words to say about this topic, but every1 but Gerion of Mercadia, seems to be on the right track. All I can say is Gerion of Mercadia, my fellow enworlder, you made a mistake; stop digging your hole before you hit China. You answer questions with vague, unsupported information or distracting guestions of your own devising.
 


Gerion of Mercadia said:
Or are you creating a new type to get away with the explanation because the RAW hurts your head?

Gerion of Mercadia said:
I was laying a little bit of a trap - ok, a whole lot of a trap, that Caliban walked right into.


Moderator/
Gerion - I can see that you have registered within the last 30 days or so, and so I would hope that the terms of use for ENworld should still be quite clear in your mind.

However, it seems that I must remind you - it is NOT okay to be rude to other people in these forums. Please treat all the other posters with respect.

If you have any questions about this, please feel free to email me.

Thanks
 

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