AAAARGH! I got it right!!!!!!!!!
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AGGEMAM
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alsih2o said:Huh?
I will most assuredly be selling them, and ironing out kinks.
Well, there's a step between selling art, and commercial production, and that's the step where artistic integrety is lost.
And what my impression of his post was that by ironing out the kinks he meant getting a uniform result every time. And I'm guessing you not really interested in that.
alsih2o
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AGGEMAM said:
So, when I make 100 individual, matching bowls for a buyer who wants to give 100 handmade gifts...have I lost my artistic integrity?
What is it about multiples that you believe strips this integrity away?
When I did NBC's corporate Xmas gifts-22,000 of them, with their logo on it and a FRIENDS logo, each hand-made and packaged- did I lose my integrity for good or was it just temporary?
I think that caraftsmanship can show through in a series of 1000 that could just be chance in a single piece. I think this is the core of artistic integrity. Any idjit can make a pretty object by chance (I have been this guy too
) but true artistic integrity (IMHO) comes from showing intent. And proof of intent is most easily shown through repetition.I would really like to hear how you feel about it.
WayneLigon
Adventurer
I love the blue bowl. When you get to the point where you can reproduce it at will, let us know. I want one. Or, actually, I want three. A nice hunter green one would be good, too, if it turns out you can do that. If you could email or PM me with the prices?
WayneLigon
Adventurer
And how has that shops-in-the-South-to carry-your-stuff search coming?
jgbrowning
Hero
alsih2o said:did I lose my integrity for good or was it just temporary?
Well, did you atone?
These bowls look amazing Mark. If you can iron out the kinks and get somewhat repeatable general crystal formation I wouldn't be surprised if they'll become very popular.
joe b.
jaerdaph
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alsih2o said:
And apparently it lives in a trailer park too:
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Actually, a bunch of us from work are going to head up to East 53rd Street later to check it out.
Congratulations, alsih2o, on all your success!
Empress
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These bowls look wonderful!
It's an interesting question, btw. What is art? As I understand it, art is a creative product that is by its very definition not only a result of its function (indeed, it doesn't have to have a function at all), but also of the artist, and the situation at the time of its creation. You cannot reproduce art with 100% accuracy, since the artist's feelings, beliefs, and the place and time when it was created do influence the outcome.
J.K Rowling could write Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone again, but no matter how close she stayed to the original concept, it would not be the same.
On the other hand, you can copy art. You can sell faksimiles, or you can print Harry Potter a thousand times - each book will be the same.
Now, artistic integrity demands that the artist stay true to the art's vision. It means not making yellow bowls when you think they should be blue, even if the investor wants them yellow. It means not bringing Harry and Hermione together because the publisher demands it, and sticking to Harry being killed at the end even though your fans will cry in outrage.
Artistic integrity does not mean not crafting yellow bowls when the investor wants them, even though color doesn't matter to you. It does not mean insisting on the name "Sillydoc Snape" when "Severus" would be so much better just because you don't want to allow other people a say in your work. And it most assuredly does not mean declining to copy your work of art.
If you followed that train of thought, then almost every artist in the world would have no artistic integrity. Heck, a lot of artists do comission work, and still produce art with it. Just because Matt Groenig can draw Homer Simpson in his sleep, doesn't mean the original Homer isn't a piece of art.
Also, as much as art is a creative endeavour that requires talent, it also requires craftsmanship. The first bowls up there are pieces of art, and since they were the first of its kind, you had to put more talent into it than you normally might have had to. Now you should let your craftsmanship take hold and copy it. Reap the benefits of your talent.
When you make your 1,000th bowl, you will be able to say, "This is exactly like the first one I did." But it will not be the first one you did. It will be a copy of it. And that is all right, and does not in any way harm your integrity as an artist, as long as you stay true to the concept.
And being a craftsman is enough 364 days of the year. You don't have to be an artist, all the time. Only once.
It's an interesting question, btw. What is art? As I understand it, art is a creative product that is by its very definition not only a result of its function (indeed, it doesn't have to have a function at all), but also of the artist, and the situation at the time of its creation. You cannot reproduce art with 100% accuracy, since the artist's feelings, beliefs, and the place and time when it was created do influence the outcome.
J.K Rowling could write Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone again, but no matter how close she stayed to the original concept, it would not be the same.
On the other hand, you can copy art. You can sell faksimiles, or you can print Harry Potter a thousand times - each book will be the same.
Now, artistic integrity demands that the artist stay true to the art's vision. It means not making yellow bowls when you think they should be blue, even if the investor wants them yellow. It means not bringing Harry and Hermione together because the publisher demands it, and sticking to Harry being killed at the end even though your fans will cry in outrage.
Artistic integrity does not mean not crafting yellow bowls when the investor wants them, even though color doesn't matter to you. It does not mean insisting on the name "Sillydoc Snape" when "Severus" would be so much better just because you don't want to allow other people a say in your work. And it most assuredly does not mean declining to copy your work of art.
If you followed that train of thought, then almost every artist in the world would have no artistic integrity. Heck, a lot of artists do comission work, and still produce art with it. Just because Matt Groenig can draw Homer Simpson in his sleep, doesn't mean the original Homer isn't a piece of art.
Also, as much as art is a creative endeavour that requires talent, it also requires craftsmanship. The first bowls up there are pieces of art, and since they were the first of its kind, you had to put more talent into it than you normally might have had to. Now you should let your craftsmanship take hold and copy it. Reap the benefits of your talent.
When you make your 1,000th bowl, you will be able to say, "This is exactly like the first one I did." But it will not be the first one you did. It will be a copy of it. And that is all right, and does not in any way harm your integrity as an artist, as long as you stay true to the concept.
And being a craftsman is enough 364 days of the year. You don't have to be an artist, all the time. Only once.
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