Acquisitions Inc. switching to Daggerheart

[Snarf Zagyg]

I think there's a lot wanting to take down the elephant in the room. I remember Paizo fans crowing over outselling DnD that one time. I've seen a lot of click bait over Daggerheart vs DnD, and one couldn't step into the Daggerheart subreddit after the announcement that Campaign 4 was gong to use the 2024 DnD rules with all the sturm und drang, calling it "a betrayal" and "Daggerheart is dead".

So, I dunno, I just put on Lorde's version of "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" and run my campaign, lol.

My main criteria for Daggerheart are can I play it (ie, find a group) and is there continuing support (more stuff to buy). It's a very hackable and brewable system, but that doesn't mean I don't want more official material released.

Seems fair. I guess I'm confused- are people wishcasting (re: taking down D&D)? Or is it a serious belief? I genuinely don't know.

Generally, I would think that the publication of a new game system with the goal of being, I dunno, in the Paizo / Cthulhu position ... and succeeding in that would be an amazing success! But is that the goal? I feel like sometimes people are saying that it's going to take down D&D, and other times people get annoyed because it's "just" an indie game, like something put out by Evil Hat, and any success is a credit to how awesome it is.

I genuinely have no idea how I should be viewing this because I don't understand what the plan for it is? Do we have any information from Darrington Press about that? On the one hand, I see a drip of announcements (Acq. Inc. will stream it, Mercer is added to the design team, signing Crawford and Perkins, etc.) that seem to indicate this is a major play. But ... I also don't see anything from Darrington Press itself necessarily indicating that.

Eh, time will tell I guess! Should be exciting to find out what we learn.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

This is my thought when I see "X RPG is dead!" Did someone come to your house and light your books on fire? lol

I tried to get George R. R. Martin to play some one-page TTRPGs with me.

But it never worked out.

GRRM never had the pages.

 

[zakael19]

I genuinely have no idea how I should be viewing this because I don't understand what the plan for it is? Do we have any information from Darrington Press about that?

I dont believe the CR business group has gone out there and announced "we plan to take X% of market share!" or "our Press unit is an utter failure unless it turns $6MM in sales this year!" or anything. Edit: the most they've said is it's a "major part" of their business plans.

What you can read from their last big press release back at GenCon is that "Daggerheart has been selling out as fast as we can restock it."

Beyond that, they've got two major settings in the works from fairly large names in the industry - one in house via their Crawford hire and one from Keith Baker and co; plus Perkins working on a supplement that will have multiple campaign frames tied to a larger campaign framework.

 

[Arilyn]

I'm pretty sure Darrington is not planning, or even hoping to bring down D&D. Darrington is excited about Daggerheart and definitely has many plans for it. My guess, is they'd like to continue to see the enthusiasm for the game grow and profit, so they can continue bringing out cool supports for it. That's it.

 

[Parmandur]

Agreed across the board. It is a little curious why they haven't been able to keep the physical product in stock. I have a tough time believing it's only production constraints. Seems like they could have completed another run in this time, so I suspect there's a little something else to it. Capital, cash flow, revisions (possible, right?) or something else.

They have complete another run, a couple I believe. They keep selling out whenever they do another run.

 

[Parmandur]

Seems fair. I guess I'm confused- are people wishcasting (re: taking down D&D)? Or is it a serious belief? I genuinely don't know.

Generally, I would think that the publication of a new game system with the goal of being, I dunno, in the Paizo / Cthulhu position ... and succeeding in that would be an amazing success! But is that the goal? I feel like sometimes people are saying that it's going to take down D&D, and other times people get annoyed because it's "just" an indie game, like something put out by Evil Hat, and any success is a credit to how awesome it is.

I genuinely have no idea how I should be viewing this because I don't understand what the plan for it is? Do we have any information from Darrington Press about that? On the one hand, I see a drip of announcements (Acq. Inc. will stream it, Mercer is added to the design team, signing Crawford and Perkins, etc.) that seem to indicate this is a major play. But ... I also don't see anything from Darrington Press itself necessarily indicating that.

Eh, time will tell I guess! Should be exciting to find out what we learn.

I don't think theybexpwxt to "take down D&D", as a closely held company they ha e the luxury of just making what they like and having fun while aiming to make a profit. They hired Perkins and. Crawford, to a fair degree, because they are friends and they wanted to upntheir game. They certainly seem to be aiming to make as good a go at popularizing the game as they can.

 

[Imaro]

They have complete another run, a couple I believe. They keep selling out whenever they do another run.

Yeah... strangely enough none of these multiple new print runs have incorporated the published errata for the game...

 

[Agamon]

No one can take down D&D. Not even Hasbro, no matter how hard they try

 

[gban007]

Agreed across the board. It is a little curious why they haven't been able to keep the physical product in stock. I have a tough time believing it's only production constraints. Seems like they could have completed another run in this time, so I suspect there's a little something else to it. Capital, cash flow, revisions (possible, right?) or something else.

Fyi for me this is where it seems to be more than curiosity driving your posts, as in lieu of other information you seem to want to ignore Darrington and stores saying they keep printing more and selling it out, to speculating around capital, cash flow etc, like wanting it to be some sort of failure on their part than simply demand exceeding supply.

 

[kermit4karate]

Fyi for me this is where it seems to be more than curiosity driving your posts, as in lieu of other information you seem to want to ignore Darrington and stores saying they keep printing more and selling it out, to speculating around capital, cash flow etc, like wanting it to be some sort of failure on their part than simply demand exceeding supply.

I'll sort of take that. I wasn't aware they'd done additional print runs, but doesn't sound like anyone here knows how big the runs have been either. I still think it's a bit curious why they haven't been able to keep up with the presumed demand.

You think I'm biased against them, and I think others are unreasonably assuming the best.

I'm reacting to what "feels" to me like some bias the other way.