Acrobatic Fighters

[Mallus]

This is why I decide PrC's while the character is 1st level. No last minute scurry to fill some gaping hole in the prerequisites.

Yep, nothing like planning a character's whole career before anything has happened to him/her yet.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Yep, nothing like planning a character's whole career before anything has happened to him/her yet.

To my mind it highlights one of the design flaws in the prestige class idea... the fact that you have to plan for it from an early stage.

I think that a better model would have been one which has DM defined tests and RPing requirements to enter (tests which reflect expected abilities, so shadowdancers should have sneaking, creeping and dancing components to their test, for instance) and even an arbitrary minimum level before taking them. At least DM's could introduce prestige classes at any time in the campaign without existing players feeling hosed because they can now no longer meet the requirements... and with the plethora of prestige classes appearing, who hasn't experienced this at least once I wonder?
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Cheers

 

[hong]

Yep, nothing like planning a character's whole career before anything has happened to him/her yet.

Nothing wrong with that. It's a great way to indulge one's latent gearhead tendencies.

 

[Darklone]

Nothing wrong with that. It's a great way to indulge one's latent gearhead tendencies.

Right. Exactly what roleplaying always used to be about

Reminds me of my 4th edition wishpackage: No PrClasses, but better Coreclasses, fair multiclassing and more feat choices with less class abilities.

 

[oromancer]

1. "The Complete Warrior" includes a swashbuckler class which might work for you as a multiclass.

Is this out yet?? Because if it is, there's a problem - I don't own it yet!

2. Dragon #310 included a Fighter variant class of swashbucker, which again might be a good multiclass.

Unfortunately you can't multiclass as the swachbuckler fighter variant - it counts as fighter, in which you already have levels. However, you could beg your DM to let you retroactively change your 2 fighter levels (they are very similar). Other than that, 3 levels of rogue would be your best bet, hands down.

 

[hong]

Is this out yet?? Because if it is, there's a problem - I don't own it yet!

It looks like there's still a few weeks left before the Complete Warrior makes this obsolete:

http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/martialartist.htm

 

[Darklone]

Is this out yet?? Because if it is, there's a problem - I don't own it yet!

Unfortunately you can't multiclass as the swachbuckler fighter variant - it counts as fighter, in which you already have levels. However, you could beg your DM to let you retroactively change your 2 fighter levels (they are very similar). Other than that, 3 levels of rogue would be your best bet, hands down.

I'd even skip the PrClass a little bit and would go for Bbn3/Rog4/Ftr4/Rgr3 (If you need to look out for multiclass penalties). You lose 1 point BAB, have enough hitpoints to go brawling and will be good skillswise, have some nice damage, many TWF attacks... with additional sneak attack, Favored Enemy and WS goodness.

Otherwise: KPG has the brigand class... it's a little more combat oriented rogue stuff with charisma skills and feats.

 

[Mallus]

Nothing wrong with that. It's a great way to indulge one's latent gearhead tendencies.

Yeah, I know that's a perfectly valid [err, fun] way to play. My current 3.5 E. character is a pretty heavily optimized smackdown-laying stuff-taker.

But the DM in me wants to rail against characters that are plotted out cradle-to-grave. Especially given 3.x E.'s flexible multiclassing system. Is it too much to hope for that players might actual base their character delopment on their major made-up-life-changing events?

Its great for characters to have goals. Its also great for them to dynamically respond to the world around them.

Isn't it more fun to join the Knights of X because they're the mortal enemies of the Knights of Y who just murdered your entire family, as opposed joining the Knights of X for their BAB progression and cool special abilites?

Or at least as much fun?

 

[Pagan priest]

You've just got to remember that no plan survives contact with the enemy. More than once, have I started a character on a great and glorious path to wonderous heights of role-playing magnificence only to have that path twisted out from under my character by a cruel quirk of fate.

 

[Particle_Man]

Yep, nothing like planning a character's whole career before anything has happened to him/her yet.

Are you saying you don't have your sorceror's spells (including which spells will be switched out when) picked out for all 20 levels when you are 1st level? That's a suicide note.