add 1/2 level to ability checks? What? Why?
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You know, I haven't been ignoring your arguments. In fact I accepted that in superheroland D&D, where magic is everywhere, it doesn't matter if it seems odd.
There are a couple arguments I am making:
1: It breaks verisimilitude for any setting with less than superheroics.
2: The argument "it makes sense because you can do something" else isn't a valid argument. Its like saying "its ok to kill people, after all, the sky is blue".
3: It is consistent with the other rules of the game. If it was, a 30th level wizard would have the load categories of a strength 25 or so character.
4: the argument that anything heavier than your max load can not be lifted is clearly false by the rules. That is merely the load that one can lift without having any chance of failure at all.
5: There is a reasonable expectation that anyone involved in combat is going to learn to deal with it, or die. I don't have a problem with BAB, saves, HP going up for any and all classes. But something as basic as an ability check? does not make sense for me.
There are a couple arguments I am making:
1: It breaks verisimilitude for any setting with less than superheroics.
2: The argument "it makes sense because you can do something" else isn't a valid argument. Its like saying "its ok to kill people, after all, the sky is blue".
3: It is consistent with the other rules of the game. If it was, a 30th level wizard would have the load categories of a strength 25 or so character.
4: the argument that anything heavier than your max load can not be lifted is clearly false by the rules. That is merely the load that one can lift without having any chance of failure at all.
5: There is a reasonable expectation that anyone involved in combat is going to learn to deal with it, or die. I don't have a problem with BAB, saves, HP going up for any and all classes. But something as basic as an ability check? does not make sense for me.
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GeoFFields said:
Thank you for the lovely addition to my signature.
Wait ...
so it "makes sense" to the OP that a guy with 18 STR boosts that str up to 26 and goes from +4 to lift the portcullis to +23 in 30 levels
But a guy going from 8 str to 10 str going from a -1 to a +15 in the same time is just bollocks?
It's not even an assumption, it's a fact that the party will be facing encounters appropriate to their level +/-5, and that things break down after that. So putting any level 30 character against a level 1 encounter is going to produce some kind of corner-case, automatically.
It also doesn't "make sense" that a 30th level Wizard can wade into Keep on the Shadowfell and beat up Irontooth with his bare fists, but that can happen just as easily.
so it "makes sense" to the OP that a guy with 18 STR boosts that str up to 26 and goes from +4 to lift the portcullis to +23 in 30 levels
But a guy going from 8 str to 10 str going from a -1 to a +15 in the same time is just bollocks?
It's not even an assumption, it's a fact that the party will be facing encounters appropriate to their level +/-5, and that things break down after that. So putting any level 30 character against a level 1 encounter is going to produce some kind of corner-case, automatically.
It also doesn't "make sense" that a 30th level Wizard can wade into Keep on the Shadowfell and beat up Irontooth with his bare fists, but that can happen just as easily.
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GeorgeFields
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silentounce said:
You're welcome.
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Sashi said:
Ummm... I'm pretty sure that he has just as much a problem with both of those illustrations. His major beef, which he's stated multiple times in this thread, is the addition of a level based modifier to an ability check.
GeoFFields said:
Sorry, someone came up with a much better quote in the mean time.
Your time in the spot light only lasted about 15 minutes.
GeorgeFields
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silentounce said:Sorry, someone came up with a much better quote in the mean time.
Your time in the spot light only lasted about 15 minutes.
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At least I got my 15 minutes of fame
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GeoFFields said:
Dude, I'm not even remotely that important.
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