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This is probably looking just a little further ahead than is necessary right now, but we should keep those two NPCs and use them to showcase examples for further sections. And perhaps give them a full NPC write up at the end maybe?

One thing I noticed looking over that turn-by-turn example again is that on the first round, Lauter used Caress (breasts) on Anya, and while he didn't achieve anything in the way of phsyical status conditions, he did alter her mental status to Horny. That is, basically, taking the result of a single Prowess check and aplying it against both the physical and mental DC tables.

Does it always work that way for Prowess checks? That checks made to beat Arousal DC's (Table 4-01) also have their results applied to Table 4-02, Mental Arousal DC's? If so, that means that the physical proficiencies of Prowess are much better than the mental proficiencies, since the former do "double duty" as it were.
 
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*raises his head*

It shouldn't. Only physical profs induce physical arousal, and only mental profs induce mental; as you can only use one prof. at a time (without incurring penalties), this seems somewhat odd. I'll consult the writeup and have a look through (praising will arrive shortly).

VVrayven, looking at your results the DCs do indeed need changing. Things such as the +3/+3 should be reserved for Epic only, really, with a staggered growth toward them (easy to access lower ones, with higher results becoming progressively harder to attain). If anyone can come up with an alternative model, please do so. Cheers,

DbS

*drops back from whence he came*
 


Ooops....

Ok, I made a mistake. (Wasn't certain on the rule there...)

I guess we should just count both characters as horny from the start of the encounter, and the first round didn't do anything.

I was under the impression that the prowess check was applied to both mental and physical simultaneously. My bad. I can do a quick rewrite of the first round and send it to sorn if you'd like.

As far as the rest of it goes, I still have the NPC's in hard copy at home, so I can post them when I get around to it. If you all would like more examples of the play by play (now that I have the rules straight....) just let me know what levels or classes you want and I'll write em up. (I'm doing it by hand, so It takes a couple hours, adding in the descriptions)

Stuart
 

Hiya guys. Wow it's been a long week and weekend. :) I have a couple of housekeeping issues I think we should talk about.

1) Lets not post anything else that can get censored. We skirt the edge as it is, so now that we've been slapped by the hand that feeds us, let's be good and play nice. ;) We have a website anyway.

2) Please, let's ask good ol Dinkeldog to shut down the other two threads for the rare instants when someone posts there.

3) I'm going to work on a Hentai expansion after the GUCK is done. (I know it's early, I'm just declaring intentions) I'm tenatively calling it HEx for short. Anyone that is interested should probably drop me an e-mail. We won't be doing much work until almost everything in the GUCK is in the finalization process. I'll eventually be starting up a Yahoo Group in the next few weeks to carry on some work. (Why Yahoo? Ask me offline. ;)) If I have stepped on anyone's toes here, just slap me and I'll conceed the position as Mistress of HEx. ;)

That's all the housekeeping. I'm going to start working on some of the other stuff for the GUCK this afternoon. We'll see what catches my attention first. :)
 

Unskilled? (And a delicate query...)

Ok, got a query here. When I was doing the actual write up, an issue came up that I don't think has been asked yet.

Is there an UNSKILLED use of the prowess skill? I didn't use anything for that in the example. (There were several occasions in the example, that if an unskilled check was made, Anya would have gotten a +2 for her charisma bonus.)

The other query is kinda silly, but I'm writing up a remake of the "Bard and the Noble's Daughter" scenario, and the issue IS coming up....

What should be the penalty for virginity on the prowess check? Meaning, on the round that a virgin loses it, how should we be handling it?

Tentatively, I'm saying that it does D3 subdual damage. That represents the pain involved rather adeptly. I'm thinking for following rounds that there is a penalty of the origional subdual damage-1 for every following round. (So eventually the pain goes away, and the check is normal again... Yes, very romance novel I know, but I want to get opinions whether I'm doing it fairly or not.)

Oh, and I'm TRYING not to get censored again, so I won't be posting any more Play by Play's here. If you want to read it, you have to either wait until Sorn deems it worthy of being posted on his site, or email me for it.

Stuart
 

Re: Unskilled? (And a delicate query...)

brevdravis said:
Ok, got a query here. When I was doing the actual write up, an issue came up that I don't think has been asked yet.

Is there an UNSKILLED use of the prowess skill? I didn't use anything for that in the example. (There were several occasions in the example, that if an unskilled check was made, Anya would have gotten a +2 for her charisma bonus.)

Yes, there is. The Prowess skill is neither exclusive nor "trained only", so you can make a Prowess check with no ranks in it. This is essentially just a Charisma check, and would be what anyone would make if they were engaged in some sort of sex that they didn't have a proficiency in.
 

All bow before the mighty Mistress of HEx!!! :D

Anyway... I don't think you are stepping on any toes. As with the GUCK, it'll most likely be a team effort anyway. I volunteer for layout.

As for the censoring issue... brev's latest revisions are up on the site.

Site Updates: I check my email regularly throughout the day. Any material that is sent to me will go on the site within the hour (unless I am swamped with work). While I might have my own opinions about certain things, I am not the decision maker when it comes to things that go on the site. If something didn't make it on there, I either didn't get the email, or I haven't checked it lately. So please don't think I didn't like it and chose to ignore it.

Virginity: Actually, pain during first intercourse is more often caused by insufficient lubrication than by the breaking of the hymen. Yes, the two lovebirds are probably horny, but since everybody makes such a big deal out of it, both parties are understandably nervous. Nervousness leads to dryness. Dryness leads to pain. Pain leads to the Dark Side. Get laid you must. Umm... scratch those last two... I am starting to sound like a horny Yoda here....

Speaking of Star Wars, there was a post on the older GUCK thread... Alzrius has redirected the poster to here, but there was a question re: Star Wars and the GUCK. As Alzrius pointed out, SW is closed content, so we can't even touch that with a 10' pole. However, once we are done, I might make a web enhancement for d20 Modern, so that might help the Star Wars fans a little too.
 

Hi folks. I've been trying to expand the existing Carnal Arts a bit, to offer a wider range of options for characters who take any given Art. Ideally I'd like to see, within each Carnal Art set, at least two Arts available at each "tier" (3, 6, 9, 12, 15 ranks Prowess). Below are the Immaculate Forms of the Master and the Flowers of the Decadent Blossom, with new Arts added to each (and one or two tweaks to previously existing Arts).

Please feel free to critique and offer recommended improvements to the mechanics and the names of the new Arts.

IMMACULATE FORMS OF THE MASTER
Before arising to become the Master of the Immaculate Forms, Weil-Hung lived a life of monastic seclusion, of quiet contemplation and iron discipline. It is against these principles that he rebelled - it is Weil-Hung’s dogma that life is best experienced by really living - sense achieved by sensuality. After a time of hedonistic travelling, he drew upon his martial prowess and sensual experience to found a school of martial arts that forms a very real war of the sexes.

3 Ranks Prowess - Mating Bull
May be activated as a free action. Allows character to apply their Str bonus instead of Cha when calculating their modifier for Prowess checks. This ability continues until the character Climaxes.

3 Ranks Prowess - Unfaltering Ox
May be activated as a free action. Allows character to assume and maintain sexual positions requiring feats of strength (ex. supporting partner's weight or own weight, sex while encumbered, etc.) without requiring a Strength check. This ability lasts until the character Climaxes.

6 Ranks Prowess - Charging Ram
May be activated as a free action. Allows a character either to increase the effective size of a phallus they are penetrating someone with, or to decrease the effective size of an orifice being penetrated, by half a size category for the purposes of the Size Matters rules. When the character reaches 12 ranks of Prowess, the effective size may be altered in such a manner by a whole size category. This ability continues until the character Climaxes.

6 Ranks Prowess - Wrestling Tiger
May be activated as a free action. Allows character to switch positions at any time, including in the middle of an extended round, without losing any Prowess checks. The character is able to move a nonresisting partner into the desired position as part of the same action. If the partner resists, both participants make opposed Strength checks to determine which position is used. (This ability may be useful for a character who wishes to avoid climaxing too early, by quickly switching to a position in which the partner is not proficient.) This ability is instantaneous and may be used without limit until the character becomes Exhausted.

9 Ranks Prowess - Gulping Heron
May be activated before making a Prowess check. A character being penetrated may make a number of additional Prowess checks (Penetrative or NVI proficiencies as appropriate) equal to their Str modifier, taking the highest result. This ability is instantaneous.

9 Ranks Prowess - Burrowing Ferret
May be activated before making a Prowess check. Allows character to use non-phallic appendages (fingers, toes, tongue) as if they were standard-size phalluses for the purposes of applying "technique suitability" DC modifiers (masturbatory and oral techniques may be used as penetrative techniques). Potentially useful in multiple-partner scenarios. This ability may be used at will until the character becomes Exhausted.

12 Ranks Prowess - Squeezing Boa
May be activated when a successful grapple check is made. Allows character to put foe into a special pin in which they may make a Prowess check each extended round against foe, but take no other action. The character may roll a Prowess check instead of a grapple check to resist attempts to escape, but this check does not impose any Arousal or Horniness. This ability lasts until the pin is released.

12 Ranks Prowess - Rutting Fox
May be activated as a free action. Allows an Aroused character to emit strong pheromones that act powerfully on the senses of sexually compatible persons. The character automatically makes Prowess checks each round against all such persons within 5 feet, using the Mental Arousal DC table. If the character is currently making active Prowess checks against a sex partner, the result of that Prowess check is added to the extra check, and the combined result is applied to the Mental Arousal DC table. This ability continues until the character Climaxes.

15 Ranks Prowess - Stinging Cobra
May be activated before making a Prowess check. Should the Prowess check succeed, the partner must make a Fortitude save (DC 10 + Str mod + 1/2 character’s Hit Dice). If they fail, they are stunned for one round. After one round, they must make another save or be stunned for nine rounds.

15 Ranks Prowess - Perfect Dragon
May be activated as a free action. After bringing a partner to Climax using a Penetrative technique, the character automatically succeeds a number of additional Prowess checks equal to the character's STR modifier in the Extended Climax round. After expending these automatic-success checks, the character may continue to make additional normal Prowess checks to continue the Extended Climax round. This ability ends at the conclusion of the Extended Climax round.


FLOWERS OF THE DECADENT BLOSSOM
This art was born from the hedonistic aristocracy of Sumfing Oranutha, the noble and the rich who turned their backs on the concerns of the real world in order to immerse themselves in a lifetime of relationships, affairs and, more often than they would like to admit, downright debauchery. The Flowers were their only cultural legacy, a carnal art suited to such a solipsistic life.

3 Ranks Prowess - Courtesan’s Finesse
May be activated as a free action. Allows character to apply their Dex bonus instead of Cha when calculating their modifier for Prowess checks. This ability continues until the character Climaxes.

3 Ranks Prowess - Lithesome Lover
May be activated as a free action. Allows character to assume and maintain sexual positions requiring feats of dexterity (ex. unbalanced or contorted postures) without requiring a DEX check. This ability lasts until the character Climaxes.

3 Ranks Prowess - Peculiar Desires
The character gains one Fetish for every three ranks of Prowess.

6 Ranks Prowess - Love for Many
May be activated as a free action. The character halves penalties for making Prowess checks against multiple partners at once - that is to say that checks are at only -2 for each partner beyond the first. When the character achieves 12 ranks of Prowess, the penalty is removed entirely. This ability lasts until the character Climaxes.

6 Ranks Prowess - Secret Affair
May be activated as a free action. The character may make Prowess checks using a Caress proficency against a partner that is clothed or even armoured. No penalties apply to making checks against a clothed partner; the partner’s armour penalty applies to any checks made against them. This ability lasts until the character Climaxes.

9 Ranks Prowess - Love of Many
May be activated before making a Prowess check. By passing a Prowess check (DC 20), the character can apply two proficiencies they know at once against a single partner in a turn. Double their rank bonus, and apply any modifiers relevant to each proficiency (this may result in some modifiers being applied twice). They may instead attempt to apply three maneouvres (Prowess check DC 30), four maneouvres (DC 40) and so on, trebling or quadrupling the rank bonus and applicable modifers as described above. Should the Prowess check fail, they lose their rank bonus to Prowess for this turn. This ability is instantaneous.

9 Ranks Prowess - Specialist
May be activated as a free action. The character is a specialist in one of her proficiencies and, when using it, suffers no DC penalties for unusual or inappropriate technique. This ability is instantaneous.

12 Ranks Prowess - Nimble Touch
May be activated as a free action. The character's manual dexterity is so great that he gains an additional Prowess check per round (applicable to himself or any partner), which *must* be used for a Masturbation technique. (If the character is already using a Masturbation technique for his ordinary Prowess check, he gains no additional check.) At 15 (18?) ranks of Prowess, the character gains this additional Prowess check for each hand (max. 2). This ability lasts until the character Climaxes.

12 Ranks Prowess - Uninhibited Love
May be activated as a free action. The character may negate any penalties incurred by his own or his partner's Frets. Other situational penalties are halved. If the character's Gratification score for the encounter is Extraordinary or higher, his relevant Frets are changed into the equivalent Fetishes instead.

15 Ranks Prowess - Open Romance
May be activated as a free action. The character’s partner(s) and onlookers appear unconcerned about wordly matters, losing themselves in the act of passion. All penalties or saves against Prowess checks based on physical circumstances (such as location) and social circumstances (such as prior commitments, vows and relationships) are ignored by the character and any partners they have until they Climax. Should the character break off from the act of passion, the effect will also end.
 

Question on your opinion, Sorn....(and another issue..)

Just got a couple quick querys,

So, what you're suggesting on the virginity issue is that the prowess check is (Most of the time) suffering the non-aroused +5 penalty?

I suppose that might cover the issue, and a considerate lover who takes the time would eliminate that problem.....

Perhaps I should count it as "Awkward Circumstances" at least until the act is consummated.... the +2 to arousal checks would simulate the nervousness appropriately....

Number 2: With regards to the save DC's..... Here's a tricky one. Suppose a lover rolls well enough to peak somebody instantly. The save DC is a 15. If that check is made (assuming the person wants to last a little longer...), should the person have to make a second check to avoid rising to Aroused? If so, should the check be at the standard DC of 10? I'm of the opinion that a check should be made, and it should be the same DC as to avoid rising to the higher state....(I mean, if the job was good enough to bring someone off instantly, they shouldn't be able to just make one save and poof, no problem...)

The same check should be made for the REALLY high rolls that make someone come instantly or reach ecstacy instantly. I think checks for each of the lower states should be made at the highest DC achieved rather than just one save and no problem. We're talking about a trancendental experience here, not just a quick feel....

Stuart
 

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