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[Death By Surfeit]

Wotcher,

Looking over Java Girl’s findings (thanks for those, VVrayven), I think the modified version works better – I’ve made some modifications, and the Extended Mechanics v.1.5.3 has been polished off. Wisdom damage has been reduced, fatigue equalised between the sexes, post-Exhaustion fatigue converted to the points system, and Delirium made more unlikely. If anyone would like to disagree or suggest further revisions, by all means do so.

After some tinkering, I’ve come up with a Gratification Table as follows, in line with VVrayven’s results:

Table 1-08: Total Gratification
Points Experience Temporary/Permanent attitude change
0 Disappointing experience –1/0
1 Satisfactory experience 0/0
4 Enjoyable experience +1/0
9 Memorable experience +1/+1
25 Fantastic experience +2/+1
36 Extraordinary experience +2/+2
49 Heavenly experience +3/+2
64 Rapturous experience +3/+3

Sorry I don’t have a polished section on Alignment, everyone, but any obliging soul is welcome to use my notes, their ideas or anything else they can draw upon to write something up for the board.

Cheers,

DbS

 

[VVrayven]

Just a couple of quick thoughts.

1) My program still only gives a male 1 orgasm before fatigue and females get their Con Mod. However, both sexes get CON before exhaustion and 1d6 (5d6 Est) subdual thereafter. Should this be modified?

2) I like the new chart. However, since all the numbers are so close, how about just making them all multiples of five like:

Table 1-08: Total Gratification
Points Experience Temporary/Permanent attitude change
0 Disappointing experience –1/0
1 Satisfactory experience 0/0
5 Enjoyable experience +1/0
10 Memorable experience +1/+1
25 Fantastic experience +2/+1
35 Extraordinary experience +2/+2
50 Heavenly experience +3/+2
65 Rapturous experience +3/+3

Just a thought for ease of use. I'm sorry I'm so busy lately, expect a final run of the program soon with numbers for how often and how much the average attitude shifts are. ::hugs to all::

 

[asra]

Is it possible to get something like a
(negative value) "Traumatic Experience -1/-1"?

 

[Bastoche]

When NC is concerned I guess? Absolutly!

 

[Death By Surfeit]

Which reminds me, I ought to add (this will probably be mentioned when we cover NC matters later on) that the gratification is represented by transient attitude modifiers - they can be negated (excepting the use of potent spells or carnal arts) by your actions at any point. Regardless of how good an experience someone has had, mention that their sister was better and they will not be best pleased. Likewise, after a NC encounter, the victim is likely found Hostile regardless of 'enjoyment'.

VVrayven, I came up with the other DCs because they were squares (and thus neat and theoretically extendable for epic level), although we could change to multiples of 5... they look nice on a page. Might males get (Con Mod) Climaxes before Fatigue, as we have Recovery regarded in another way? Just an idea, although this may throw the charts. Look forward to seeing the results of your run!

Note: the way Size Matters mechanics currently work, I think I should butt in and state that things work best when sizes are equal. Nevertheless, I will introduce the Extremely Tight feat (would be useful for half-orc females), although we might consider applying it for any single orifice (or all of them) and enabling males to take it, out of equality.

DbS

 

[Death By Surfeit]

Oh, just a thought. Should any of you fine fellows (or ladies) have some time to spare, it would help if someone could write up an example of the 'mechanics in motion' so to speak, as the game rules look rather spartan. I am also declaring open season on sidebars and such. I understand this is a busy time for many of you, but I thought I'd give something for slackers to work toward.

Cheers,

DbS

 

[VVrayven]

Hiya boys!

JavaGirl is back with her mountain of calculations. <takes of glasses> DbS, the grat numbers do change a little with equal male/female fatigue rules. I'll post the findings here. In the following tables, 0 = Disappointing, 1 = Satisfying, etc... 7 = Raptruous, 8 = BETTER than rapturous.

Level 1 Commoner
Total Prowess +0, Fort +0, CON = 10, HITS = 1
Average Female Gratification 0.53828
Average Male Gratification 1.0
Highest Female Gratification 1.0
Highest Male Gratification 1.0
Gratification Attitude Shifts:
Female:
0:46.172000000000004%
1:53.827999999999996%
2:0.0%
Male:
0:0.0%
1:100.0%
2:0.0%

Level 1 Normal PC Class
Total Prowess +3, Fort +3, CON = 13, HITS = 2
Average Female Gratification 1.95612
Average Male Gratification 2.38537
Highest Female Gratification 10.0
Highest Male Gratification 3.0
Female:
0:1.8980000000000001%
1:96.332%
2:1.7680000000000002%
3:0.0020%
4:0.0%
Male:
0:0.0%
1:100.0%
2:0.0%

Level 5 Normal PC Class
Total Prowess +7, Fort +5, CON = 13, HITS = 9
Average Female Gratification 21.85942
Average Male Gratification 31.54397
Highest Female Gratification 35.0
Highest Male Gratification 40.0
Female:
2:0.0%
3:1.146%
4:86.99%
5:11.863999999999999%
6:0.0%
Male:
3:0.0%
4:0.331%
5:99.09599999999999%
6:0.573%
7:0.0%

Level 10 Normal PC Class
Total Prowess +14, Fort +7, CON = 13, HITS = 17
Average Female Gratification 44.21391
Average Male Gratification 42.87056
Highest Female Gratification 61.0
Highest Male Gratification 66.0
Female:
3:0.0%
4:0.28700000000000003%
5:9.103%
6:77.683%
7:12.927%
8:0.0%
Male:
2:0.0%
3:0.0030%
4:0.653%
5:21.453%
6:55.74%
7:22.15%
8:0.0010%

Level 15 Normal PC Class
Total Prowess +20, Fort +11, CON = 13, HITS = 25
Average Female Gratification 58.52107
Average Male Gratification 51.7576
Highest Female Gratification 91.0
Highest Male Gratification 90.0
Female:
3:0.0%
4:0.048%
5:2.774%
6:20.283%
7:42.223%
8:34.672%
Male:
3:0.0%
4:0.046%
5:4.627%
6:38.973%
7:45.465%
8:10.889%

Level 20 Normal PC Class
Total Prowess +25, Fort +14, CON = 13, HITS = 38
Average Female Gratification 78.89309
Average Male Gratification 61.33523
Highest Female Gratification 142.0
Highest Male Gratification 111.0
Female:
3:0.0%
4:0.0010%
5:0.232%
6:3.923%
7:18.679000000000002%
8:77.16499999999999%
Male:
2:0.0%
3:0.0060%
4:0.025%
5:0.265%
6:10.266%
7:54.245%
8:35.193000000000005%

Level 10 Sex Based (Skilled)
Total Prowess +18, Fort +7, CON = 14, HITS = 20
Average Female Gratification 51.07659
Average Male Gratification 52.57408
Highest Female Gratification 79.0
Highest Male Gratification 83.0
Female:
2:0.0%
3:0.0020%
4:0.076%
5:6.289%
6:37.086000000000006%
7:49.584%
8:6.963%
Male:
3:0.0%
4:0.017%
5:4.089%
6:37.592999999999996%
7:44.153%
8:14.148%

Level 20 Sex Based (Master)
Total Prowess +34, Fort +14, CON = 16, HITS = 48
Average Female Gratification 90.10904
Average Male Gratification 71.6531
Highest Female Gratification 177.0
Highest Male Gratification 118.0
Female:
5:0.0%
6:0.034%
7:2.904%
8:97.062%
Male:
0:0.0%
1:0.0010%
2:0.0%
3:0.0010%
4:0.0050%
5:0.052%
6:0.492%
7:20.166%
8:79.283%

Well there you all have it. <sigh, rubs eyes> DbS, let me know if you think the Grat charts need tweaking. <yawn> Night guys.

 

[brevdravis]

with regards to the "Mechanics in motion"

On the write up, is there anything in particular you want to see?

(Meaning, do you have specific classes or levels in mind?)

I suppose I could just redo the classic scenarios from the old Guck with the new rules, but that might be a little boring....

Tentatively, I'll roll up a few characters from the NPC online generator, and see what happens.... See ya in a day or so....

Stuart

 

[brevdravis]

Mechanics play by play....

All right everybody,

Here's what I did. I grabbed the NPC generator online, and rolled up two level three characters. THEN, I traded the most out-of-character skill selection for Prowess on a one-for-one rank value trade.

I decided to do a quick run through, not trying to go till anyone passes out and not stopping at one male climax. (I decided to make the man nice enough to finish off his lady-love before passing out.)

So without further ado, I give you the Play by play of the new rules. (I believe that I used the right tables, but feel free to point out any mistakes that I may have made, after all this is the first time I've used these rules...)(Oh, and I get pretty graphic here, hey, I'm trying to just have fun. Don't read if you might be offended.) Rolls that did not change mental states are a little glossed over, but too many details would kill the flow......

Characters:

ANYA - 3rd level Sorceress ST 12, DX 9, CN 11, IN 10, WS 10, CH 15. Pertinent saves and skills: Fortitude save: +1, Will save: +3, Prowess Check: +5 (3 ranks plus 2 for stat) Masturbation, female, Fellatio, Missionary. Oh, and female, duh...

LAUTER - 3rd Level Rogue ST 8, DX 16, CN 13, IT 12, WS 14, CH 12. Pertinent saves and skills: Fortitude save: +2, Will save: +3, Prowess Check: +7 (6 ranks plus 1 for stat) Masturbation, male, Caress, breasts, Cunnilingus, Missionary, Rear, Riding. Oh, and Male.... duh....

Since this is just a trial run, I assumed that Anya and Lauter are members of an adventuring party, and a little bit more as well. Flush from a long day's journey, they carouse at an inn for a little while before deciding to head upstairs for a little private time.

Edit: The grandmothers just fainted. --Dinkeldog

 

[brevdravis]

Still out cold. --Dinkeldog

Round 14: The two lovers lie together, delighting in the feelings of lovemaking. (Pregnancy check made using the old rules. Lauter rolls a 18! Uh-oh, adding his con bonus, it results in an 19. That means that there is a possibility of knocking up Anya. Anya fortunately rolls a 1 which means that no conception has taken place according to the old rules.) They catch some sleep, before heading out the next morning for another day of dungeon crawling....

As far as Lauter was concerned, it was a Satisfactory encounter. (1 gratification point.)
Anya however, is feeling the results of a Memorable encounter (4 gratification points. Her reactions to Lauter will be improved by one postive attitude level.) She delights in the feelings that her handsome rogue has brought her, and reflects on how nice it is to be with him......

That's about it. Any problems with it, let me know. 1st time through, but I think it was pretty good....

Stuart

Inline commentary: Fairly imaginative, but more appropriate to Skinemax. --Dinkeldog