Adult: GUCK development forum III

DbS, nice job on the alignment and kinks. I am putting it on the site right now.

Style: Please keep some humor in. I am not talking slapstick. But a little bit of fun is necessary.



System/Method: Let's work those spells into the existing system and make them available to everybody. Spells and magic items are the easiest to introduce into an existing game. If people need to have a custom class to cast a given spell, it will most likely not be used at all. This will only lead to one thing: the GUCK will end up collecting dust in some forgotten folder on someone's hard-drive.

Cleric domains are one way of handling it. But I think that there should be at least a handful of spells that go into the general cleric/druid lists. People will choose their domains early on, and unless you take a PrC, you won't get another one. So you'd bar an existing cleric from spells that might be a perfect fit.

That being said, we should put a paragraph or sidebar at the beginning of the spells chapter. Therein, it should be stressed that these spells are somewhat rare. All players should consult their DM's before using any of them. Most of the spells won't be available on the market (scrolls, potions, etc) for a caster to pick up.

We can close out that chapter by adding a few erotic tomes. Makes it easy for the DM to introduce new spells. Think of the instruction manual in American Pie, or an edition of the Kama Sutra with hidden spells.

Now... quick rant about custom spell lists... BAD IDEA. One of the big strengths of the d20 system is portability. I can take a feat from a WotC book, a spell from Malhavoc Press, a PrC from a Mongoose sourcebook and they will all work together. As soon as you make a custom spell list for a new class, you will lose this portability.

Example... a few weeks ago, I was creating a necromancer character. I came across Secret College of Necromancy, which has a Necromancer Core Class. Cool. Not a bad class. Then I realized they had a custom spell list. Well, the spells in the list fit the class. True, but then I go and open up any other d20 book, and there are no spells for the Necromancer Core Class.

Any spellcasting core class from the PHB gets new spells with almost every d20 supplement that comes out on the market. Unless there is a follow-up from the original publisher, there won't be any new spells for any classes with a custom spell list.

Things could probably be ported over to any non-standard spell lists, but why create a lot of work? The majority of d20 gamers uses the core classes and the magic system outlined in the PHB. Since we are making a d20 supplement, let's cater to our audience. The few that use non-standard classes/spell lists will already know how to port things over, so no biggie.
 

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Sorry to bring this idea up so late...

Ok, thanks for your opinions on the last couple of ideas. I appreciate the feedback.

I was doing some thinking on the Male gratification issue. Right now, let's be honest, we're giving male characters a little to much credit in the staying power area.

Con score climax before exhaustion is too much.

BUT, resetting back to the Con bonus +1 screws up the equality.

I say we put it back to how it was before, but allow male characters to gain gratification from other sources.

Here's my tentative ideas. They mess with the current climax save rules a little but I think they reflect male sexuality better.

Holding back: When a male character chooses to make a save versus climax and succeeds, he immediately gains .5 gratification points. However, his next save is at a -1 penalty, and the gratification points only apply upon his next climax. If a round goes by without a save being made, the additional gratification points are lost. (For example, a guy who holds back four extended rounds will gain 2 additional gratification points from his next climax.) This represents the fact that men get gratification from the buildup to climax, and not just from orgasm. (The assumption is that the saves are representative of the partners skill in pleasing the male.)

Superficial males: Despite men who claim to be just after a girl for her personality, men derive greater satisfaction from sleeping with an attractive woman than an unattractive woman. As a result, Males add or subtract their partner's charisma bonus or penalty from their total gratification for the encounter.

Sorry to bring this one up so late, I think the gratification system we have now is great, but just a little tweaking might make it fantastic.

Stuart
 

With regards to everybody's posts.

Ok, There was a lot of ground covered, so here we go with my take on them all.

The durn Virginity issue that I need to shut up about: Agreed, sidebar.

Carnal arts: I have no problem with adding NEW arts, but I still think expanding the existing ones is a bad idea. Giving a HUGE number of options for a feat is a little much, considering that feats generally allow you to do ONE thing. We're already being a little generous.

Cascading saves: Ok, sure, I understand what you're saying there. You're right. Too many saves would slow it down. And yah, it represents resisting the ENTIRE effect, not just a part of it.(However, for the HEx, I'm bringing this issue up again for the discussion of NC.)

Soft Focus: Personally I think we shouldn't spend TOO much time on soft focus. Right off the bat, it's a sidebar. I think if Javagirl can give us a quick rundown of how it's working, then we can do whatever tweaks are necessary.

Alignment: WOAH! Nice going there. Looks good to me, and the tables are fair. (Just did a quick check with my dice, and they aren't rolling too ridiculous numbers.) My next post will have a few frets and kinks for yah.

Clothing: I think we may want to add one or two things to the prowess tables for this. Specifically, I'm thinking that we might want to add : Stripping (Type of clothing) To allow somebody to make a prowess check while removing clothing. (We may have a few others for the HEx as well...)

Stuart
 

Virginity Sidebar (First Draft)

Virginity, (and Losing it.) (Optional Rules)

Throughout time much has been made of the pain involved with a woman losing her virginity. This has numerous factors involved, all of which contribute to the overall effect. For game purposes, when a female character is penetrated the first time, it counts as "Awkward Circumstances" for 1D4 extended rounds.


There we go, how do you all feel about that for the sidebar?

Stuart
 

Re: Sorry to bring this idea up so late...

brevdravis said:

Holding back: When a male character chooses to make a save versus climax and succeeds, he immediately gains .5 gratification points. However, his next save is at a -1 penalty, and the gratification points only apply upon his next climax. If a round goes by without a save being made, the additional gratification points are lost. (For example, a guy who holds back four extended rounds will gain 2 additional gratification points from his next climax.) This represents the fact that men get gratification from the buildup to climax, and not just from orgasm. (The assumption is that the saves are representative of the partners skill in pleasing the male.)

My understanding of the rules is that "holding back" is the default action.


Superficial males: Despite men who claim to be just after a girl for her personality, men derive greater satisfaction from sleeping with an attractive woman than an unattractive woman. As a result, Males add or subtract their partner's charisma bonus or penalty from their total gratification for the encounter.

I'm not sure I get the point. Do you imply this should apply for every male character ?
 

Fetish and Fret suggestion....

And now, I'll drop a bunch of these in, so we can get the table ready. In no particular order, just as they come to me....

1.Blondes
2.Brunettes
3.Redheads
4.Light Skin Tones
5.Dark Skin Tones
6.Large Noses
7.Small Noses
8.Large Buttocks
9.Large Breasts
10. Just Hair...
11. Leather
12. Decollatage (Garments with low cut neck line)
13. Tight Shirts
14. Barbarians
15. Fighters
16. Monks
17. Paladins
18. Clerics
19. Wizards
20. Sorcerers.
21. Rangers
22. Rogues
23. Bards
24. Commoners.
25. Aristocrats.
26. Adepts
27. Warriors (We could combine all the last 13 into a sub-table, maybe "Specific Class")
28. Bondage
29. Sleeping/Unconciousness
30. Tight Pants.
31. Voyerism
32. Statues (Pygmalionism...)
33. Dirt/ being dirty...
34. Non-consensual situations.
35. Scat....(Yuck, just including for completeness...I think I have fret 2 in this one)
36. Urine... (again, personally, YUCK....)
37. Feet

Those are the first right off the top of my head.....
Feel free to add.

Stuart
 

Well, from what I understand, the save is always an option, but a male does not HAVE to take it. I'm just trying to make the gratification a little more in line, without giving men 12+ climaxes with very little penalty.

As to yer second question, I was thinking that it should apply to all males. I mean, which is an average man going to consider the better experience: A night long marathon with a half-orc strumpet, or the quickie with a nymph.... Even if he only got off once with the nymph....

Stuart
 

Wow. Lots of stuff. ;)

DbS: Excellent work. Do you not like the existing clothing rules and want to move to a simpler system? I love the Fret/Fetish system and I look forward to your input and help with HEx. ;) I'm also all for editing the existing network of spells on the site, and I agree with you in total about the other spell issues, we think very much alike. :)

Sorn: Good summary.

brevdavis: Excellent list of fetish notes, and a fairly good virginity sidebar, Sorn if you would capture both. Glad you agree about Cascading saves, as for what we are doing with NC and saves... <big grin> You'll just have to wait, as I have a great idea and another easy system planned. ;) But, I'm sure you will like it. As for the males... I don't think the system is too nice to you guys. If anything, the recovery period is too nice. I've known guys that can go again just fine as long as they can get aroused again. I don't think the grat tables need changing nor does the exhaustion system. This is fantasy, and our real world model works nicely at level one commoner... If you still disagree I might be willing to discuss making the recovery period longer or perhaps increasing it's penalty. I dislike the "holding back" and "suferficial males" subrules, for the above reasons and because I believe they add yet another level of complexity. Good thoughts, though brevdavis.

Soft Focus rules are currently in the works and running on my test platform. I'll need some time with these and I want to include a special note in each spell description (where appropriate) that explains the spells effect with soft focus rules. The same SHOULD be done with Carnal Arts, but I might not be that ambious, we'll see. Please, hold back on detail questions for now, but if you have a macro question about soft focus, feel free to ask. ;)

C-ya Boys, VVrayen (M/BB,CG,JavaGirl 10) ;)
 

In terms of fetishes, you may want to find a short and tasteful way to distinguish between non consensuality and bondage/domination. There is a world of difference between a top and a rapist, IME. (Similarly, a bottom is unlikely to be aroused by attempted rape.) I'm not sure which the "non-consensual" fetish is meant to represent, and it could get very akward if a player and DM interpreted it differently.

Kahuna Burger
 

Double post due to posting problems. In other news, an easy way to facilitate the random selection idea would be to list the more "benign" kinks first in the list and recomend a d20 to choose random kinks/frets. (unless the player is very experimental, I imagine discovering that his character likes leather and natural suroundings is going to be easier to casually roleplay than discovering that he's ended up with a character whose "primary interest are rape, ultraviolence and Beethoven"...)

Kahuna Burger
 
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