Adult: GUCK development forum III

[Kahuna Burger]

A suggested D20 random list. I tried to keep things very general (having a religious catagory isntead of preists and churches), and somewhat within the mainstream of kinks, but eliminate those that seemed, well, obvious. its not perfect, but here ya go.

Roll Subject
01 Military
02 Religious
03 Wilderness
04 Fey
05 Outsiders
06 Statues& Constructs
07 Dragons
08 Long Hair
09 body hair
10 Feet
11 Voyeuring
12 Exhibition
13 Danger
14 Dirtiness
15 Domination/Submission
16 Pregnancy
17 Leather/fur
18 Weapons
19 Fire
20 Magic

kahuna Burger

 

[Sorn]

Happy Birthday DbS. The world is indeed small, as it was my birthday yesterday as well. How old are you now? Maybe we are actually twins seperated at birth.

Anyway... lots of posts since I left my computer for the (long) weekend. I'll go through everything new and get it up onto the site sometime today.

 

[Sorn]

Quick note on the Conception rules...

Right now it states that you make a check for every extended round that a male spends in climaxed condition (using Penetrative, etc...).

However, only one single spermazoid is needed for conception, so even if the guy pumps 20 gallons of ejaculate into his partner, it doesn't really matter. I'd say there needs to be only one roll.

This will not only keep the dice-rolling down a bit, but it should also work better with the soft-focus rules. Also, I would imagine that there are a lot of people out there who fade-to-black any sexual encounters, but want to use our pregnancy rules to determine morning-after effects.

So, I am suggesting that if the male climaxes (be it determined by hard focus rules, soft-focus rules or simply assumed), conception checks are made.

Now to get some clarification... do both partners make conception checks? Or is it one roll, using the highest DC based on race? I think it's one roll, but the wording isn't all that clear on it (or it might be me being sleep-deprived).

 

[brevdravis]

Conception rolls

Whether it should be one or two rolls depends on your paradign. Personally, I think the fact that we're treating it similar to a critical hit effective covers both partners in the encounter.


Stuart

 

[Kahuna Burger]

Quick note on the Conception rules...

Right now it states that you make a check for every extended round that a male spends in climaxed condition (using Penetrative, etc...).

However, only one single spermazoid is needed for conception, so even if the guy pumps 20 gallons of ejaculate into his partner, it doesn't really matter. I'd say there needs to be only one roll.

um... without offending eric's grandmother, I'd say that this is a incorrect model. While technically correct that one sperm COULD get a woman pregnant, its by no means gaurenteed that entering that sperm into a fertile woman will result in pregnancy. More do increase the odds.

One roll under soft focus rules seems obvious, but under hard focus there's no reason not to give multiple rolls with stacking DC modifiers. (especially if the "extended session" is measured in hours rather than minutes.) Say, plus 5 if its the second climax the male has had in less than half an hour, plus 2 if its in the last 3 hours...

I also notice that there's no real penalty for mixed race conception. Rather than giving a standard rule for that, I would relegate it to a campaign dependant decision... I have heard many say that halfbreeds should be very rare and treat them so in their games.

Kahuna Burger

 

[VVrayven]

Calculations Complete...

:: I'm very tired so forgive me if this is a bit rattled. The 2 bounding works for the Hard Focus rules, this allows the desired results as DbS laid out with impressive things only begining at around level 10 or +14 prowess. Average has been defined as what can be achieved in an hour or until one partner is exhausted (not pass out, exhuasted). I've also found a slight flaw in the program that was giving everyone CON mod+1 before fatigue, instead of Con Mod. It does change the numbers signifigantly but I've taken it all into account.

Grat / Result / SF
0 Disappointing 4
1 Satisfactory 9
4 Enjoyable 16
8 Memorable 25
16 Fantastic 36
32 Extraordinary 49
64 Heavenly 64
128 Raptorous 81

Why are the SF numbers so high? SF represents about one hour after which both partners are fatigued and didn't try TOO hard. So get to a Extraordinary+ result with casual sex takes some REAL talent. Anyway, those are the numbers I'm endorsing. Goodnight boys.

 

[Death By Surfeit]

Interim post

Thanks, VVrayven, for the gratification rules - I'll amend my copy of the guide appropriately, which I have been quietly touching up (not intended) over the last month. When pregnancy and conception are finished, I'll upload a 'Full Mechanics v2.0' for the benefit of the forum. There are a few minor changes, but nothing too severe and nothing that hasn't been referenced on the forum.

Kahuna, thanks for your comments and your table. Regarding interbreeding, I was originally going to make one partner make the threat roll and the other confirm it with individual racial DCs, but I went for the 'highest DC present' to make interbreeding that bit more tricky. I have a system going for Related, Relatable and Unrelatable species, but until I finish a rather massive diagram I won't be able to upload it. Basically, it gives the races a given race is a halfbreed of, can produce halfbreeds with, and cannot do anything with respectively. If you have your own mechanics/thoughts on cnception and pregnancy, by all means post them.

Thanks everyone, and if you have any rules for the topics otlined above, or are willing to go with any others, say so, and we can move on to the next topic.

Cheers,

DbS

 

[Sorn]

Half-Breeds

Half-breeds are a tricky issue in D&D. There are a few obvious ones that work (Half-Elves/Orcs/Fiends/Celestials, etc), but the majority of other races does not interbreed all that well. By allowing just about everybody to crossbreed will be a big can of worms. The munchkins and twinks will come out of the woodwork and create Giant/Halfling crossbreeds, Lizardman/Elf people and things I don't even want to think about.

I have a copy of EA: Crossbreeding at home, and it took the Mongoose people 64 pages to come up with rules for things like that. Do we really want to go that route and have balanced cross-breeding rules? I'd let's stick to a side-bar, as cross-breeding is really a campaign world specific thing best left to the GM. If you look at it, we already have the increased DC's for dragons, so as long as we have the standard races and MM templates covered, we should be good.

 

[Anabstercorian]

Basic rules for my pregnancy module are as follows:

In any given sex act, roll a die for each female involved. This symbolizes the chance of them being fertile. Certain species are fertile more often than others. If you roll a 1, that female is fertile. This ranges from 1 in 4 for critters like goblins to 1 in 30 for creatures like dragons. (Yes, a use for the infamous d30.)

Then, the male and female both roll Fort saves. We keep the result of Whoever rolls lowest. The DC depends on the species, and it's the highest of whichever species is involved.

So. You've got an orc (Forrester) and an Elf (Queen Aramil) and they're getting it on. Let's roll a d20 for the elf, since they aren't exactly fertile... Hey, a 1! Cool. Forrester and Queen Aramil both roll fort saves, and the lowest result is a 18, and neither rolls a 20. The DC for orcs is only 8, but the DC for elves is 17. Looks like there'll be young'uns.

This is a simple system, but you have to let the DM wing the DC's and dice, as it could vary from campaign to campaign.

 

[Alzrius]

I agree with Sorn pretty much on the whole in regards to the crossbreeding issue.

The sticking part here seems to be that if there can be half-orcs and half-elves, why not others? And races where the other half isn't human, etc. Those are what open what could be, as he said, a can of worms.

There was a very nice article about this in the first issue of Asgard (downloadable elsewhere here on EN World) that I think is the best take on the issue, but it'd still be hard to apply everywhere. We may just want to bar crossbreeding altogether, and have a long sidebar about what to do if you want that in your campaign (we may want to use OGC from Mongoose's book also).

Irregardless though, I do think we should give something to the people who want rules for outrageous crossbreeding to be a possibility; something has to happen with those pure maidens who dig unicorns. This may or may not be something that we may want to shunt off to VVrayven's HEx project.

Anabstercorian: you've got some good ideas on pregnancy, but the system seems too inclined to making it a rarity. In every case, the rules are very much opposed to getting the female pregnant: a 1 must be rolled, then both parties make Fort saves against separate DCs, taking the highest DC and the lowest result...that's going to make it rather difficult in any circumstance for conception to happen.

Likewise, this will also be a bit of work to create (rather abstract) "pregnancy dice" for each species, as well as a "Pregnancy DC" for each species as well for that Fort save. It seems rather superfluous. The idea is good, but too much new mechanics would have to be crafted.