Adult: GUCK development forum III

[VVrayven]

Java Girl is back! <giggle>

Okies! Here we go:

The Following Three Runs are done with the AI set to stop at ONE male climax:

Two Commoners (+0 prowess, 10 Con, level 1)

Average Total Time: 19.054118
Average Foreplay Time: 3.12469
Average Intercourse Time: 15.929428
Female Climax Percentage: 53.8791%
Male Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Average Female Orgasms 0.538791
Average Male Orgasms 1.0
Average Female Gratification 0.538791
Average Male Gratification 1.0
Highest Female Gratification 1.0
Highest Male Gratification 1.0
Average Female Fatigue Status 0.538791
Average Male Fatigue Status 1.0
Average Female Pass-Out Chance 0.0%
Average Male Pass-Out Chance 0.0%

Two Experienced Commoners (+3 prowess, 10 Con, level 1)

Average Total Time: 11.502645
Average Foreplay Time: 2.252602
Average Intercourse Time: 9.250043
Female Climax Percentage: 86.7592%
Male Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Average Female Orgasms 1.015708
Average Male Orgasms 1.0
Average Female Gratification 1.102631
Average Male Gratification 1.0
Highest Female Gratification 9.0
Highest Male Gratification 1.0
Average Female Fatigue Status 0.867592
Average Male Fatigue Status 1.0
Average Female Pass-Out Chance 0.0%
Average Male Pass-Out Chance 0.0%

Two Skilled Lovers (+6 total prowess, 12 Con, level 2)

Average Total Time: 8.440612
Average Foreplay Time: 1.770205
Average Intercourse Time: 6.670407
Female Climax Percentage: 95.05839999999999%
Male Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Average Female Orgasms 1.526699
Average Male Orgasms 1.0
Average Female Gratification 1.882486
Average Male Gratification 1.0
Highest Female Gratification 13.0
Highest Male Gratification 1.0
Average Female Fatigue Status 0.485516
Average Male Fatigue Status 1.0
Average Female Pass-Out Chance 0.0%
Average Male Pass-Out Chance 0.0%

Two Expert Lovers (+10 total prowess, 14 Con, level 6)

Average Total Time: 6.58527
Average Foreplay Time: 1.338711
Average Intercourse Time: 5.246559
Female Climax Percentage: 95.2554%
Male Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Average Female Orgasms 1.907764
Average Male Orgasms 1.0
Average Female Gratification 2.744898
Average Male Gratification 1.0
Highest Female Gratification 18.0
Highest Male Gratification 1.0
Average Female Fatigue Status 0.248498
Average Male Fatigue Status 1.0
Average Female Pass-Out Chance 0.0%
Average Male Pass-Out Chance 0.0%

The Following Three Runs are done with the AI set to go until someone passes out:
(Please bear in mind this is with no breaks, so sixty rounds means 1 hour straight, not stopping)


Two Expert Lovers (+10 total prowess, 14 Con, level 6)

Average Total Time: 68.316333
Average Foreplay Time: 8.055155
Average Intercourse Time: 60.261178
Female Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Male Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Average Female Orgasms 16.644892
Average Male Orgasms 9.953526
Average Female Gratification 23.264213
Average Male Gratification 13.599958
Highest Female Gratification 45.0
Highest Male Gratification 19.0
Average Female Fatigue Status 1.62739
Average Male Fatigue Status 2.969937
Average Female Pass-Out Chance 3.2583%
Average Male Pass-Out Chance 96.9937%
Average Double Pass-Out Chance 0.252%

Two Amazing Lovers (+15 total prowess, 16 Con, level 10)

Average Total Time: 59.380055
Average Foreplay Time: 7.935679
Average Intercourse Time: 51.444376
Female Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Male Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Average Female Orgasms 23.460807
Average Male Orgasms 14.760692
Average Female Gratification 39.577479
Average Male Gratification 23.844585
Highest Female Gratification 70.0
Highest Male Gratification 33.0
Average Female Fatigue Status 1.952498
Average Male Fatigue Status 2.94414
Average Female Pass-Out Chance 6.3797999999999995%
Average Male Pass-Out Chance 94.414%
Average Double Pass-Out Chance 0.7938000000000001%

Two Master Lovers (+20 total prowess, 16 Con, level 15)

Average Total Time: 43.293701
Average Foreplay Time: 6.804804
Average Intercourse Time: 36.488897
Female Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Male Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Average Female Orgasms 24.123492
Average Male Orgasms 16.014336
Average Female Gratification 49.668675
Average Male Gratification 30.420586
Highest Female Gratification 94.0
Highest Male Gratification 51.0
Average Female Fatigue Status 1.816808
Average Male Fatigue Status 2.955952
Average Female Pass-Out Chance 5.18%
Average Male Pass-Out Chance 95.5952%
Average Double Pass-Out Chance 0.7752%

And Now Two special cases just for fun:

Female Sex DemiGoddess (+35 total prowess, +15 Fort Save, level 20)
Male Lover of Awesome Renown (+25 prowess, +12 Fort Save, level 18)

Average Total Time: 18.011394
Average Foreplay Time: 2.908265
Average Intercourse Time: 15.103129
Female Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Male Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Average Female Orgasms 12.718888
Average Male Orgasms 9.864352
Average Female Gratification 32.686975
Average Male Gratification 29.034512
Highest Female Gratification 120.0
Highest Male Gratification 81.0
Average Female Fatigue Status 1.228316
Average Male Fatigue Status 2.949001
Average Female Pass-Out Chance 3.6615%
Average Male Pass-Out Chance 96.3422%
Average Double Pass-Out Chance 0.0036999999999999997%

And...

The Amazing Lover-Bard (+16 Prowess, +10 Fort Save, level 10)
The Farmer's Virgin Daughter (+0 Prowess, +0 Fort Save, level 1)

Average Total Time: 28.365296
Average Foreplay Time: 1.982567
Average Intercourse Time: 26.382729
Female Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Male Climax Percentage: 35.6512%
Average Female Orgasms 12.0
Average Male Orgasms 0.42567
Average Female Gratification 20.553188
Average Male Gratification 0.479759
Highest Female Gratification 33.0
Highest Male Gratification 7.0
Average Female Fatigue Status 3.0
Average Male Fatigue Status 0.356518
Average Female Pass-Out Chance 100.0%
Average Male Pass-Out Chance 0.0%

Note this program does not take into account the Wisdom loss or the Deilerious condition. Althought neither of these will change the numbers, I still want them calculated and thus you will see statistics on them in the next version run of the program.

Now, what do these numbers tell us.

1. We have an AWESOME SYSTEM that does a GREAT approximation of real sex.

2. We have a HUGE disgrenpancy between male and female gratification scores. Ideas anyone?

3. A +16 prowess has an upper gratifiction limit of about 33 (for females). This brings up a very valid concern: High gratifaction scores can only be attained if the partner has both a high Constitution and a Fort Save (prowess has nothing to do with it, in the partner). Thus, you can only get a uber high gratification yourself if you are high level yourself. I.E. if the best lover in the world find a young novice to seduce, he can't please her any better than the second best lover, or the third...

That is all for the statistics. Have a nice day boys.

 

[VVrayven]

For those of you that are interested, here is a segment of the program run in <detail mode>.

Both of the partners are tired (Exhausted, and have already been in engaged for about 45 minutes.

Round 46

Male: S(3) O(10) F(2) G(19)

Female: S(2) O(22) F(2) G(46)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (7) Final Prowess = (25)

Prowess: Female rolls a (9) Final Prowess = (27)

Pleasure: Final roll = 21

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (3) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Male has concurrent orgasms... Wis Damage

Pleasure: Final roll = 19

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (2) and is now (2)

Climax: Male has reached climax. Gratification: 2 Total (21)

Round 47

Male: S(3) O(11) F(2) G(21)

Female: S(2) O(22) F(2) G(46)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (13) Final Prowess = (31)

Prowess: Female rolls a (8) Final Prowess = (26)

Pleasure: Final roll = 20

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (3) and is now (0)

Recover: Male entering recovery, 10 minutes start.

Pleasure: Final roll = 25

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (2) and is now (3)

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 1 Total (47)

Round 48

Male: S(0) O(11) F(2) G(21)

Female: S(3) O(23) F(2) G(47)

Running Foreplay (Male Only)

Prowess: Male rolls a (8) Final Prowess = (26)

Prowess: Female rolls a (1) Final Prowess = (19)

Pleasure: Final roll = 20

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (0) and is now (1)

Recover: Male exiting recovery period, became aroused.

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 1 Total (48)

Round 49

Male: S(1) O(11) F(2) G(21)

Female: S(3) O(24) F(2) G(48)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (17) Final Prowess = (35)

Prowess: Female rolls a (9) Final Prowess = (27)

Pleasure: Final roll = 21

Resist: Male rolls a (8) Final Fort Save = (18/15) SUCCESS!

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (1) and is now (1)

Pleasure: Final roll = 29

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (3) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Female has concurrent orgasms... Wis Damage

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 2 Total (50)

Round 50

Male: S(1) O(11) F(2) G(21)

Female: S(3) O(25) F(2) G(50)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (2) Final Prowess = (20)

Prowess: Female rolls a (2) Final Prowess = (20)

Pleasure: Final roll = 14

Resist: Male rolls a (6) Final Fort Save = (16/0) SUCCESS!

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (1) and is now (1)

Pleasure: Final roll = 14

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (3) and is now (0)

Recover: Female coming down from orgasm

Round 51

Male: S(1) O(11) F(2) G(21)

Female: S(1) O(25) F(2) G(50)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (16) Final Prowess = (34)

Prowess: Female rolls a (2) Final Prowess = (20)

Pleasure: Final roll = 14

Resist: Male rolls a (5) Final Fort Save = (15/0) SUCCESS!

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (1) and is now (1)

Pleasure: Final roll = 28

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (1) and is now (2)

Round 52

Male: S(1) O(11) F(2) G(21)

Female: S(2) O(25) F(2) G(50)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (2) Final Prowess = (20)

Prowess: Female rolls a (19) Final Prowess = (37)

Pleasure: Final roll = 31

Resist: Male rolls a (5) Final Fort Save = (15/20) FAILS!

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (1) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Final roll = 14

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (2) and is now (2)

Climax: Male has reached climax. Gratification: 1 Total (22)

Round 53

Male: S(3) O(12) F(2) G(22)

Female: S(2) O(25) F(2) G(50)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (13) Final Prowess = (31)

Prowess: Female rolls a (9) Final Prowess = (27)

Pleasure: Final roll = 21

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (3) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Male has concurrent orgasms... Wis Damage

Pleasure: Final roll = 25

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (2) and is now (3)

Climax: Male has reached climax. Gratification: 2 Total (24)

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 1 Total (51)

Round 54

Male: S(3) O(13) F(2) G(24)

Female: S(3) O(26) F(2) G(51)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (12) Final Prowess = (30)

Prowess: Female rolls a (4) Final Prowess = (22)

Pleasure: Final roll = 16

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (3) and is now (0)

Recover: Male entering recovery, 10 minutes start.

Pleasure: Final roll = 24

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (3) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Female has concurrent orgasms... Wis Damage

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 2 Total (53)

Round 55

Male: S(0) O(13) F(2) G(24)

Female: S(3) O(27) F(2) G(53)

Running Foreplay (Male Only)

Prowess: Male rolls a (20) Final Prowess = (38)

Prowess: Female rolls a (17) Final Prowess = (35)

Pleasure: Final roll = 32

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (0) and is now (2)

Recover: Male exiting recovery period, became aroused.

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 2 Total (55)

Round 56

Male: S(2) O(13) F(2) G(24)

Female: S(3) O(28) F(2) G(55)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (2) Final Prowess = (20)

Prowess: Female rolls a (2) Final Prowess = (20)

Pleasure: Final roll = 14

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (2) and is now (2)

Pleasure: Final roll = 14

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (3) and is now (0)

Recover: Female coming down from orgasm

Round 57

Male: S(2) O(13) F(2) G(24)

Female: S(1) O(28) F(2) G(55)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (18) Final Prowess = (36)

Prowess: Female rolls a (1) Final Prowess = (19)

Pleasure: Final roll = 13

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (2) and is now (2)

Pleasure: Final roll = 30

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (1) and is now (2)

Round 58

Male: S(2) O(13) F(2) G(24)

Female: S(2) O(28) F(2) G(55)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (8) Final Prowess = (26)

Prowess: Female rolls a (6) Final Prowess = (24)

Pleasure: Final roll = 18

Resist: Male rolls a (2) Final Fort Save = (12/20) FAILS!

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (2) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Final roll = 20

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (2) and is now (3)

Climax: Male has reached climax. Gratification: 1 Total (25)

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 1 Total (56)

Round 59

Male: S(3) O(14) F(2) G(25)

Female: S(3) O(29) F(2) G(56)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (19) Final Prowess = (37)

Prowess: Female rolls a (13) Final Prowess = (31)

Pleasure: Final roll = 25

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (3) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Male has concurrent orgasms... Wis Damage

Pleasure: Final roll = 31

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (3) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Female has concurrent orgasms... Wis Damage

Climax: Male has reached climax. Gratification: 2 Total (27)

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 2 Total (58)

Round 60

Male: S(3) O(15) F(2) G(27)

Female: S(3) O(30) F(2) G(58)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (18) Final Prowess = (36)

Prowess: Female rolls a (14) Final Prowess = (32)

Pleasure: Final roll = 26

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (3) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Male has concurrent orgasms... Wis Damage

Pleasure: Final roll = 30

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (3) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Female has concurrent orgasms... Wis Damage

Climax: Male has reached climax. Gratification: 3 Total (30)

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 3 Total (61)

Round 61

Male: S(3) O(16) F(2) G(30)

Female: S(3) O(31) F(2) G(61)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (16) Final Prowess = (34)

Prowess: Female rolls a (3) Final Prowess = (21)

Pleasure: Final roll = 15

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (3) and is now (0)

Recover: Male entering recovery, 10 minutes start.

Pleasure: Final roll = 28

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (3) and is now (0)

Recover: Female coming down from orgasm

Round 62

Male: S(0) O(16) F(2) G(30)

Female: S(1) O(31) F(2) G(61)

Running Foreplay (Male Only)

Prowess: Male rolls a (13) Final Prowess = (31)

Prowess: Female rolls a (9) Final Prowess = (27)

Pleasure: Final roll = 25

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (0) and is now (1)

Recover: Male exiting recovery period, became aroused.

Round 63

Male: S(1) O(16) F(2) G(30)

Female: S(1) O(31) F(2) G(61)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (3) Final Prowess = (21)

Prowess: Female rolls a (12) Final Prowess = (30)

Pleasure: Final roll = 24

Resist: Male rolls a (5) Final Fort Save = (15/15) SUCCESS!

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (1) and is now (1)

Pleasure: Final roll = 15

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (1) and is now (1)

Round 64

Male: S(1) O(16) F(2) G(30)

Female: S(1) O(31) F(2) G(61)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (8) Final Prowess = (26)

Prowess: Female rolls a (2) Final Prowess = (20)

Pleasure: Final roll = 14

Resist: Male rolls a (11) Final Fort Save = (21/0) SUCCESS!

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (1) and is now (1)

Pleasure: Final roll = 20

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (1) and is now (2)

Round 65

Male: S(1) O(16) F(2) G(30)

Female: S(2) O(31) F(2) G(61)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (11) Final Prowess = (29)

Prowess: Female rolls a (1) Final Prowess = (19)

Pleasure: Final roll = 13

Resist: Male rolls a (5) Final Fort Save = (15/0) SUCCESS!

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (1) and is now (1)

Pleasure: Final roll = 23

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (2) and is now (3)

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 1 Total (62)

Round 66

Male: S(1) O(16) F(2) G(30)

Female: S(3) O(32) F(2) G(62)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (4) Final Prowess = (22)

Prowess: Female rolls a (8) Final Prowess = (26)

Pleasure: Final roll = 20

Resist: Male rolls a (20) Final Fort Save = (30/15) SUCCESS!

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (1) and is now (1)

Pleasure: Final roll = 16

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (3) and is now (0)

Recover: Female coming down from orgasm

Round 67

Male: S(1) O(16) F(2) G(30)

Female: S(1) O(32) F(2) G(62)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (9) Final Prowess = (27)

Prowess: Female rolls a (2) Final Prowess = (20)

Pleasure: Final roll = 14

Resist: Male rolls a (8) Final Fort Save = (18/0) SUCCESS!

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (1) and is now (1)

Pleasure: Final roll = 21

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (1) and is now (2)

Round 68

Male: S(1) O(16) F(2) G(30)

Female: S(2) O(32) F(2) G(62)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (17) Final Prowess = (35)

Prowess: Female rolls a (16) Final Prowess = (34)

Pleasure: Final roll = 28

Resist: Male rolls a (5) Final Fort Save = (15/20) FAILS!

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (1) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Final roll = 29

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (2) and is now (3)

Climax: Male has reached climax. Gratification: 1 Total (31)

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 1 Total (63)

Round 69

Male: S(3) O(17) F(2) G(31)

Female: S(3) O(33) F(2) G(63)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (5) Final Prowess = (23)

Prowess: Female rolls a (15) Final Prowess = (33)

Pleasure: Final roll = 27

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (3) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Male has concurrent orgasms... Wis Damage

Pleasure: Final roll = 17

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (3) and is now (0)

Recover: Female coming down from orgasm

Climax: Male has reached climax. Gratification: 2 Total (33)

Round 70

Male: S(3) O(18) F(2) G(33)

Female: S(1) O(33) F(2) G(63)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (9) Final Prowess = (27)

Prowess: Female rolls a (11) Final Prowess = (29)

Pleasure: Final roll = 23

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (3) and is now (0)

Recover: Male entering recovery, 10 minutes start.

Pleasure: Final roll = 21

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (1) and is now (2)

Round 71

Male: S(0) O(18) F(2) G(33)

Female: S(2) O(33) F(2) G(63)

Running Foreplay (Male Only)

Prowess: Male rolls a (19) Final Prowess = (37)

Prowess: Female rolls a (3) Final Prowess = (21)

Pleasure: Final roll = 31

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (0) and is now (2)

Recover: Male exiting recovery period, became aroused.

Round 72

Male: S(2) O(18) F(2) G(33)

Female: S(2) O(33) F(2) G(63)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (18) Final Prowess = (36)

Prowess: Female rolls a (10) Final Prowess = (28)

Pleasure: Final roll = 22

Resist: Male rolls a (7) Final Fort Save = (17/20) FAILS!

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (2) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Final roll = 30

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (2) and is now (3)

Climax: Male has reached climax. Gratification: 1 Total (34)

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 1 Total (64)

Round 73

Male: S(3) O(19) F(2) G(34)

Female: S(3) O(34) F(2) G(64)

Running Intercourse (Mutual)

Prowess: Male rolls a (16) Final Prowess = (34)

Prowess: Female rolls a (11) Final Prowess = (29)

Pleasure: Final roll = 23

Pleasure: Male's Pleasure was (3) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Male has concurrent orgasms... Wis Damage

Pleasure: Final roll = 28

Pleasure: Female's Pleasure was (3) and is now (3)

Pleasure: Female has concurrent orgasms... Wis Damage

Climax: Male has reached climax. Gratification: 2 Total (36)

Fatigue: Male has been fatigued. Fatigue now (3)

Climax: Female has reached climax. Gratification: 2 Total (66)

Fatigue: Female has been fatigued. Fatigue now (3)

DOUBLE PASS OUT!

neat finish, huh?

 

[Alzrius]

NVI... Alright. I love the category and the description, but if it is possible to give someone an orgasm using Caress(thigh) or Caress(Arm) I think we should allow NVI to pleasure the non-thuster... How? Well I'm not sure. I'd say allow the proficiency to go both ways. (if you are a girl and take NVI-Breasts, it's how to pleasure him, if you are a guy and take NVI-Breasts, it's how to get her off through NVI via the breasts....) Make it work just like any other reciprical prof. And I would go with the following modifiers:

Thruster (to pleasure the reciever)
Aroused +5, Peaked +10, Climaxed +15, Ecstatic +20

Non-Thruster (to pleasure the thruster)
Aroused +10, Peaked +2, Climaxed +0, Ecstatic +0

Slightly curious, are those modifiers to DC right? DbS said that the modifiers should all be to the Prowess roll in future listings of the rules, but I can't find where he lists the what the bonuses apply to in the proficiency descriptions.

That aside, I think that's a great idea! I've been propagating that from the start.

A +16 prowess has an upper gratifiction limit of about 33 (for females). This brings up a very valid concern: High gratifaction scores can only be attained if the partner has both a high Constitution and a Fort Save (prowess has nothing to do with it, in the partner). Thus, you can only get a uber high gratification yourself if you are high level yourself. I.E. if the best lover in the world find a young novice to seduce, he can't please her any better than the second best lover, or the third...

It's quite possible that I'm just not getting it, but I don't see where you're getting this from. Admittedly, high Con and such help to keep a character in climax longer, but after that it's just DC modifiers to Prowess, which will require higher and higher ranks of Prowess to beat.

I also don't quite get where you're getting that a +16 rank bonus will have an upper gratification limit of 33 for women. It seems much lower than that, since the extended climax DCs quickly rise above 36 (natural 20 +16) and even then, there are Exhaustion penalties and such. It seems like that +16 wouldn't come near 33 total gratification points.

As an aside, I noticed that the listing for the 1st round for "Climax" in the Extended Climax chart has a different DC than the listing than it does over on "Arousal DCs". Those should be the same since that is the first round right? They're the same for Ecstatic...

 

[Sorn]

Great job all. I'll post all the upadated rules on the website sometime today.

 

[Gez]

Shouldn't oral sex goes into NVI as well ?

Because it works the same: one performs, the other enjoys; unless there's a 69er going on.

Actually, getting an orgasm from being sodomized is more probable (especially for the guys who are into this, thanks to the prostate) than from performing a blow-job or cunnilingus.

Just food for thought.

 

[Alzrius]

Shouldn't oral sex goes into NVI as well ?

Because it works the same: one performs, the other enjoys; unless there's a 69er going on.

I mentioned this back when that category was being mentioned, but was shouted down. This wouldn't seem to quite encompass cunnilingus though, and besides, the idea of "one performs, other enjoys"...which is currently slated as "one performs, and enjoys, the other just lies there" is against the idea of what you mention below also.

Actually, getting an orgasm from being sodomized is more probable (especially for the guys who are into this, thanks to the prostate) than from performing a blow-job or cunnilingus.

Which is a good reason why you should be able to use those NVI proficiencies for more than just receiving to pleasure the thruster.

 

[Sorn]

The only time any penetration would be involved with oral would be when a male is "serviced". But even then, the penetrative factor is only a small sub-section of the whole thing by the time you figure in licking certain spots etc.

So, oral is its own proficiency group whereas the non-vaginal proficiencies are all penetrative.

Speaking of which, we still need a name for NVI. How about Exotic Penetration? Since the Exotic Proficiencies have been renamed to Mental Prof's, there shouldn't be any confusion (unless people think they need something special to acquire Exotic Penetration profs).

Anyway, it appears to me that version 1.5.1 of the core mechanics is sound and very close to final. Should we move on to the other subjects on the to-do list and deal with the minor issues later? I don't mean to rush anything, but I am afraid we keep on fine-tuning and fiddling with these little things in the core mechanics until hell freezes over. As it stands right now, at worst a modifier will be tweaked or a proficiency will be amended. Those changes, even if implemented later, are easily propagated through other finished chapters with a simple Search&Replace.

I think the next thing we should tackle are the Soft Focus rules. There are some modifiers mentioned in the Size Matters rules, but this needs to be fleshed out.

 

[Alzrius]

The modifiers for the various proficiency groups when used to induce varying states of arousal are still listed in terms of being added to the DC. Since we're (wisely, IMO) going with all bonuses and penalties being listed in terms of the Prowess roll, this section should be reversed, either by flipping them end to end, or leaving the numbers and changing the "+" to a "-" everywhere.

That said, I can't seem to find anything about sizes beyond what's in the "Size Matters" section, which doesn't clarify much at all. Help here?

 

[Gez]

The only time any penetration would be involved with oral would be when a male is "serviced". But even then, the penetrative factor is only a small sub-section of the whole thing by the time you figure in licking certain spots etc.

So, oral is its own proficiency group whereas the non-vaginal proficiencies are all penetrative.

You mean that a tongue in a vagina is not a penetration, but in dick between two breasts is one ?

Anyway, I was speaking about consistent mechanics. The one who use lips and tongue is not going to get an orgasm through that oral service.

 

[Death By Surfeit]

NB: Eeep! The following post somehow didn’t get through to Enworld. For what it’s worth, I’ll post a slightly modified version of it now, but consider it from the perspective of the end of last topic. Terrific work Java Girl! I shall muse over your findings immediately.

Thankyou, VVrayven, for your feedback and suggestions. I would concur with your slant on NVI (incidentally, I'm willing to run with Exotic Penetrative - sounds good, if a little long winded), although with the current scale we don’t cater for proficiency penalties greater than –10 (ooh... they should have been changed to penalties... *hastily fixes problem*); I would advocate a –5/-10/-10/-10 instead; a –10 ontop of the high DC for Climax makes for a pretty difficult test, anyway.

I’ve been squrrelling away at the alignment system, and you can all expect a submission of initial rules fairly soon now.

DbS