AEG Loses Stargate SG-1!!!

[Ranger REG]

Expecting a unisystem version mechanics wise to focus more on character and less on hardware and military style combat, i an hopeful of seeing a better fit between mechanics and gameplay and show and feel.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

[Bagpuss]

...to the same cinematic unisystem they used to model angel and buffy, tailored to the setting as they usually do. i haven't seen their scifi unisystem games, but it might not be too far off.

That's because I don't think they have any yet.

Actually, for the material AEG already covered, my bet is the market will be most of the same people as bought the AEg game. The only bleed offs i would expect are those who are/were diehard aeg/spycraft fans.

Or anyone that actually has a campaign already running. D&D lost some folks when it switched from 3.0 to 3.5 and that was a minor step, a lot of people with an existing investment in AEG's game will have no reason to switch.

As one who did not like the mechnics aeg chose, but loved the source material, I knw i will be a buyer.

For material beyond that AEg has done, season three and beyond, I think the market is wide open.

Except AEG did the System Lords book which covered beyond Season 3, and the core book background wise, covered up to Season 8. Sure thier is room for books on the later seasons, or race books for the Asguard and Replicators, but I think most folks have plenty to play with with the first books.

I agree (assuming Eden have got it) a unisystem version will be considerably less 'tactical' although if an RPG focuses on 'character' is much more to do with the GM and the players than anything in the system itself. Certainly there is nothing in the Unisystem itself that makes it more characterful.

Of course the only worry with Eden doing it is they will produce a high quality core book, a month later an overpriced GM Screen and okay quality Enemies book, a month later another book of lesser quality, but the same price tag, and then never produce anything else, which seems to be thier forum for licensed products. :\

 

[Greatwyrm]

Okay, maybe I'm a little slow. Can somebody explain to me why we don't believe the folks at Eden Studios when they say "we wish it was, but it wasn't us"? Do they have a history of lying about stuff like this? What would they gain in doing so?

 

[SWBaxter]

Buffy and Angel where good reads and fun books but they were not as filled with information as the AEG books are.

I've had a chance to take a look at the Buffy and Angel RPGs now. IMHO, they're wildly overpriced for the content delivered. Since this matches my experience with Eden's non-licensed games, I don't have high hopes for Eden's Stargate RPG, if any is forthcoming, to be any better.

IMHO, the key factor for me in deciding if a licensed RPG is worth picking up is "would this still be a useful sourcebook if I used a different set of rules?" AEG's Stargate is one of the licensed properties for which this is true - I'd pick up the books even if I was going to run the game with a completely different rule system. Can't say the same for Buffy and Angel, unfortunately.

 

[Crothian]

Okay, maybe I'm a little slow. Can somebody explain to me why we don't believe the folks at Eden Studios when they say "we wish it was, but it wasn't us"? Do they have a history of lying about stuff like this? What would they gain in doing so?

Well, I haven't seen anything like that. But based off of the early quotes given by Eden it seems they do.

 

[Crothian]

I've had a chance to take a look at the Buffy and Angel RPGs now. IMHO, they're wildly overpriced for the content delivered. Since this matches my experience with Eden's non-licensed games, I don't have high hopes for Eden's Stargate RPG, if any is forthcoming, to be any better.

IMHO, the key factor for me in deciding if a licensed RPG is worth picking up is "would this still be a useful sourcebook if I used a different set of rules?" AEG's Stargate is one of the licensed properties for which this is true - I'd pick up the books even if I was going to run the game with a completely different rule system. Can't say the same for Buffy and Angel, unfortunately.

Buffy and Angel are both minimal games. For characters you have the Slayer, normals, and ptential for magic. Maybe a demon. There really is not a big difference between them in specialities. And I know it would be easy to run Buffy or Angel in other systems (having done so), the great thing is you don't need the Buffy books to do that. But I think they were more bought by the fans of the show then Stargate. Stargate seemed like it had the ability to reach farther then Buffy to me.

 

[Henry]

Okay, maybe I'm a little slow. Can somebody explain to me why we don't believe the folks at Eden Studios...

I think it's because when you analyze the past speeches of CEO's of companies who bought licenses but had to dispel rumors while they were in the negotiation stage to deflect attention, they sound REMARKABLY similar to George Vasilakos' statements. It's not that he's being deliberately untruthful, but whenever a company doesn't come out and say outright, "No, we're not pursuing the license, and we're not likely to get it", it leaves suspicions that they are in the middle of negotiations.

Which doesn't change a single thing, because they couldn't actually do anything until it's official, anyway, if they were looking to do so.

 

[swrushing]

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Or anyone that actually has a campaign already running. D&D lost some folks when it switched from 3.0 to 3.5 and that was a minor step, a lot of people with an existing investment in AEG's game will have no reason to switch.

But you dont have to switch to buy books for source material. I know people who boguht the aeg books for source materialbut never used the system mechanics.

Except AEG did the System Lords book which covered beyond Season 3, and the core book background wise, covered up to Season 8. Sure thier is room for books on the later seasons, or race books for the Asguard and Replicators, but I think most folks have plenty to play with with the first books.

well, in fact the core book stopped at season 6 not 8.

but the primary source i was looking at was something along the lines already proven successful. Season guides with every episode covered (recapped, characters presented, and then expanded upon) which was nice since the AEG core book only glossed over some of the eps, and did not cover all of them even thru season 6.

I agree (assuming Eden have got it) a unisystem version will be considerably less 'tactical' although if an RPG focuses on 'character' is much more to do with the GM and the players than anything in the system itself. Certainly there is nothing in the Unisystem itself that makes it more characterful.

Thats a debate for another time, perhaps. I do believe that game system and presentation can move things towards more character-based roleplaying in many cases, though of course, not all.

Of course the only worry with Eden doing it is they will produce a high quality core book, a month later an overpriced GM Screen and okay quality Enemies book, a month later another book of lesser quality, but the same price tag, and then never produce anything else, which seems to be thier forum for licensed products. :\

then i can understand your perspective. I just don't share it.

 

[swrushing]

I've had a chance to take a look at the Buffy and Angel RPGs now. IMHO, they're wildly overpriced for the content delivered. Since this matches my experience with Eden's non-licensed games, I don't have high hopes for Eden's Stargate RPG, if any is forthcoming, to be any better.

IMHO, the key factor for me in deciding if a licensed RPG is worth picking up is "would this still be a useful sourcebook if I used a different set of rules?" AEG's Stargate is one of the licensed properties for which this is true - I'd pick up the books even if I was going to run the game with a completely different rule system. Can't say the same for Buffy and Angel, unfortunately.

While i do priase the AEg source material half of their books for being top notch and of excellent quality, i differ from you in the appriasal of the buffy and angel rpgs. I found them to be very much woirth their money and considered them, at the time, to be some of the best rpg purchases i made that year.

go figure.

 

[swrushing]

Of course the only worry with Eden doing it is they will produce a high quality core book, a month later an overpriced GM Screen and okay quality Enemies book, a month later another book of lesser quality, but the same price tag, and then never produce anything else, which seems to be thier forum for licensed products. :\

Just in the interest of comparison, looking at FRPgames.com for resource

Eden's buffy line shows the following products out: Core Rulebook, Slayers handbook, Monster smackdown, Magic box, Character journal, and GM screen for six current products (and four of them books.) It has Revised core rulebook and welcome to sunnydale source books available as march preorder.

AEGs Stargate line has Stargate core rulebook, Season books 1 and 2, the goa'uls sourcebook, and the unknown worlds book, for five products out all books. With them not keeping the license, thats pretty much it for them.

So i really don't compare these, and i own most of them, and come away with an "eden will support the line less" kind of vibe. if they do exactly what they did for buffy with their stargate license, we will see more Eden Stargate products than AEG.