Spoilers Agatha All Along discussion

[Older Beholder]

As with so many of the Disney+ MCU shows, and most of the films lately, it seems like I am supposed to care because of the meta-narrative rather than because of the characters in the show I am actually watching.

I'm a comics nerd. Note the large X-men logo tattooed on my shoulder. I'm a sucker for this stuff. But I still need basic story elements. All the pieces are there for this show to be great; it has a fantastic cast (well, except for Teen; they're lame), a cool aesthetic, and the Witch's Road is a great concept. Just give me a reason to care about these characters!

I'm not sure how this connects to a greater meta-plot beyond the fact that Wanda is dead (or is she?), seems like a pretty self contained story about a Coven of witches getting their powers back so far?

It's OK if the show isn't knocking your socks off the way it is for other people. You don't need to rationalize being lukewarm on a TV series. There's a big difference between X-men and campy witches.

 

[Zaukrie]

You're the one comparing it to comic series that have run for decades, trying to excuse it.

If it takes 20 episodes for this series to sell its characters to someone... oh wait it ended way before it ever got there.

I'm saying that is only been a few hours, if that..... It takes time to care about characters. I never said twenty.....I compared it to long running comics because that's the only way you'd care about a character or three. If you don't care, that's fine with me. I'm not trying to convince anyone to care. I'm suggesting, not even arguing, that it takes more than 2.5 hours.

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

I'm saying that is only been a few hours, if that..... It takes time to care about characters.

Movies only last 2 hours, yet some of them manage to hook you with their characters. It is not a static line of how long it takes, it comes down to writing.

 

[Zaukrie]

Movies only last 2 hours, yet some of them manage to hook you with their characters. It is not a static line of how long it takes, it comes down to writing.

Nm. Not worth it

 

[pukunui]

I'm not sure how this connects to a greater meta-plot beyond the fact that Wanda is dead (or is she?) ...

Hmm. That's a good question.

Spoiler

It's been spoiled that Teen is Wanda's son, Billy (aka Wiccan). If you squint, the actor even looks a bit like the actor who played younger Billy previously. My guess is he's hoping to use the Witches' Road to bring his mother back from the dead - or to somehow bring a different version of Wanda/Scarlet Witch to his universe - or maybe even to recreate the Darkhold?

I really hope that they don't end this show with the Darkhold being recreated somehow. I feel that would really cheapen Wanda's sacrifice (even more so than the knowledge that there are other versions of her out there in the multiverse already does).

 

[Older Beholder]

Hmm. That's a good question.

That would have been my guess, but I'm interested to see how it plays out.

I'm not surprised that people aren't exactly rooting for Agatha, she did murder a puppy in Wandavision.

I think part of my love for the character is based on her card in Marvel Snap. Kathryn Hayn is also a major factor. If you build a deck of cards in Marvel Snap with Agatha in it, she takes control of your game and plays your cards for you completely randomly. (they did change this recently so that it's only even numbered turns where she is in control). The joke being, that you'll be playing against a deck that is making really odd plays and then on the final turn when they play Agatha, you realize that you had been playing against Agatha all along.

 

[Clint_L]

It's not even three hours into a TV show. You've been reading comics for decades. If I picked up a comic book series, I'd likely not care about any characters for many, many, many, issues.

I should be able to watch the first show in any series and care about what happens to the protagonist.

Watch the first five minutes of Breaking Bad and tell me you don’t want to know what happens to Walter White.

But it is a “me problem”: I like good writing. Someone explain to me how the show has made the audience understand and care about Agatha’s need, and the tension between her need and her want. Those are the most basic character elements.

Like, you can read Amazing Stories 15 and after just a few pages you understand the tension between Peter’s need and want (it’s the same need and want that is established 15 minutes into the first Iron Man movie and powers his entire MCU arc). It doesn’t take multiple episodes or issues or an entire story arc.

 

[The Soloist]

The show is about female protagonists, solving their problems in a non-violent way. It's the polar opposite of Supernatural, in which everything is solved using violence. Maybe some of you can't relate to that. That's ok.

I'm not saying it's the best show I ever watched but it's not as bad as some of you make it sound.

 

[MarkB]

I'm saying that is only been a few hours, if that..... It takes time to care about characters. I never said twenty.....I compared it to long running comics because that's the only way you'd care about a character or three. If you don't care, that's fine with me. I'm not trying to convince anyone to care. I'm suggesting, not even arguing, that it takes more than 2.5 hours.

It really doesn't. Most decent shows will manage it by the end of their first episode, and the best can do it within the first few minutes or even seconds of introducing the character. Heck, if this was a movie it'd be over by now.

 

[Marc Radle]

It’s kinda sad that this is devolving into a back and forth with folks trying to ‘prove’ if this is a good and/or well written show.

As with ANY show (or any creative work) some people like it, others don’t. If you don’t like this show, that’s awesome. That doesn’t mean you need to explain why you don’t like it, or why folks that DO like it are somehow wrong.

Can we please get back to actually discussing the show itself?