Age of Worms H/C - unlikely :(

[green slime]

All doom and gloom this week.

 

[meomwt]

According to Mr Jacobs in the same thread, Paizo can't release the PDF of a Dragon magazine until the back issues sell out. It's part of the licensing agreement with Wizards :\ .

So it will be a while before all the Dragons are available as a PDF. I guess that the costs in compiling an AoW PDF would be prohibitive for Paizo, anyway.

 

[meomwt]

All doom and gloom this week.

Not me: I've just got Part 2 of War of the Burning Sky, so I'm as happy as Larry.

 

[wayne62682]

What a shame.. I can't justify spending almost $90 on back issues of Dungeon, but I would have loved a hardcover tome (although from what I heard it would still be as expensive unlike Shackled City which was cheaper than buying all the magazines).

I like the idea that WotC is putting out their own adventures, but they shouldn't pull this "Well, now that we're doing it ourselves we can't have you showing us up" crap.

 

[Zaukrie]

Sigh.....I assume WotC gets a cut on any licensed product, or could work with Paizo to get a cut. I understand they make more on their own adventures, but this would be pure profit, with no costs to WotC. I can't see how this would really cannabilize their products enough to matter, but I don't have the data.

This whole thing, no HC adventures, no more dragon compendiums so far, I just don't understand it and I don't like it.

WotC needs to worry about the abundance mentality, or the lack of it, in their organization.

 

[hexgrid]

It's almost like WOTC saying: "Your stuff is better than ours, so we're taking our ball and going home!"

I like the idea that WotC is putting out their own adventures, but they shouldn't pull this "Well, now that we're doing it ourselves we can't have you showing us up" crap.

As far as I know, Paizo is still publishes 3 high quality adventures per month with WotC's full blessing.

If WotC was, say, shutting down Dungeon magazine itself, the above comments might make some sense. As it is, what were talking about here is republishing a series of adventures that have already been printed.

 

[sir_ollibolli]

Plainly? It's a shame.

From a business point of view, it is understandable, but it is not fair. Definitely not.

They take a big business opportunity away from a company that gives them support and sales for years, just because they are able to and see an infraction in their own piece of the pie. That is a relapse into old 2ed times...

Go Paizo. I will buy all your adventures, that'll be issued via the OGL. That way, the big bully can't tell you anything...

 

[Rodrigo Istalindir]

Since for some god unknown reason I'm in a 'silver lining' kinda mood today (must be the imminent arrival of spring), it occurs to me that this could actually boost subscriptions to Dungeon, which would be a Good Thing (tm). I wasn't terribly interested in AoW (although I have no doubt it would be as good as SC was), but I was intrigued by the current AP and had just planned on awaiting the hardcover. Now I may be prompted to get off my tail and subscribe so I'm not trying to grab all of it via back issues.

Though I do still think this sucks and WotC are being doodie-heads.

 

[Maggan]

From a business point of view, it is understandable, but it is not fair. Definitely not.

How is this unfair from a business standpoint? Paizo choses to enter a business agreement with WotC, where they sign a document where it is stated what rules this business agreement should follow. Paizo knowingly entered that agreement, and have reaped monetary benefits from it.

Now WotC exercise the rules of the agreement so that their own strategy for growing D&D isnt compromised. I do think Paizo were aware of this possibility.

I think its a shame that we wont see a AoW hardback. But I dont think its unfair. Especially not from a business standpoint.

M

 

[JoeGKushner]

The market DOES need more than ONE "official" source IF said source can't seem to figure out just where it's needs should be. (IE supporting existing campaign structures and allows healthy competition among smaller publishers who help to support WotC's needs.)

And we have it. We have Paizo doing official adventurers and now OGL adventures and WoTC doing adventurers.

Just because people want something in a speicfic format doesn't mean they NEED it and hey, if they depended on an outside deal with WoTC to get Age of Worms instead of getting it in individual issues, they now have the option of STILL getting those individual issues.

Besides, once again, WotC steps on the little guy just so they can keep the extra two cents for some reason.

You mean the 'little guy' that wouldn't exist without WoTC in the first place? :\

Don't get me wrong. I want a hardcover and a Best of Dragon 2, and some themed Dungeon compilations starting Flame, etc... but Paizo had to know there were limitations in place ahead of time. Stupid of Wizards? Seems so but at the same time, as long as Wizards is allowing Paizo do to the official magaiznes, I can't see Paizo doing anything about it other than doing their own adventures (which they are and HAVE been doing with the miniature scenarios) or dropping Dungeon and Dragon magazine and focusing entirely on their own material. Seems that rotue would be cutting off their nose to spite their face.