Agh! 2nd Edition!

[EricNoah]

About the term "3etard" --

The term is about as immature and mean-spirited as you can get, on many levels. If it becomes problematic we'll just stick it in the "profanity filter" but I'd much prefer that people just stop using it of their own accord here at EN World.

 

[DanMcS]

I wouldn't "wreck" the game per se, but I would definitely do things to point out its flaws.

Definitely don't follow Meepo's advice. If you don't want to play for whatever inane reason, don't play; don't join the game just to be an ass.

 

[Assenpfeffer]

Definitely don't follow Meepo's advice. If you don't want to play for whatever inane reason, don't play; don't join the game just to be an ass.

Back in the days when my hatred of the abomination that was Second Edition knew no bounds, I used to fantasize about joining Living City games at cons just to torp the game and get PCs killed.

It's a testament to my character that I never did it, but it was fun to imagine.

 

[ColonelHardisson]

Y'know, after witnessing and being involved in numerous "edition wars," it finally dawned on me - what difference does it make? Why get so wrapped up in a game that one begins to insult others over it? As I've said, it's just geeks calling geeks geeks. EDIT: I'm addressing the "3etard" thing with this.

If the DM wants to switch to 2e from 3e but nobody else does, or vice versa, then I'd say let the majority rule. If you really can't stand to play a particular edition, find another game or don't play at all. EDIT: I don't mean that harshly.

 

[Azure Trance]

I'll stay out of the edition wars, but it seems a bit rude to convert a game already in progress without providing some sort of explanation. What do the other players think?

IMO, the game is completely in the DM's hands before the game begins, but once it starts it is community property of a sort. Rule 0 may extend to rules interpretations, but I'd at least want a most of the players to concur before switching rules sets.

There are three other players - one is his GF, the other two are guys who figure it would be nice to 're-live' the fond memories they had of 2nd Edition.

As I said before I'm not sure why he switiched - it was his first 3rd Ed game he DMed, with my 3rd Ed game the first he PCed. Maybe he got tired of learning all the new rules? Frex, first game he thought the bonus spell levels from INT as wizards were what we got regardless; he felt a little red after we corrected him.

 

[Azure Trance]

Definitely don't follow Meepo's advice. If you don't want to play for whatever inane reason, don't play; don't join the game just to be an ass.

Meepo's is tempting in the munchkin side of me (Players Option in it's drippy CP glory), but I will have to agree with you. The personal preference bigoted side of me that chooses 3ed is much too strong to restrain once a week, every week. Just leaving them alone in their own game is OK once I've calmed down my McCarthyistic fears of 2nd Ed rising up in my gaming group.

I did visit them last night as they made characters though and listenend in when they had questions which perked my interest when I realized how different the Ed's were - what do you mean there are no feats? Does armor require a prof? What's the weapon speed of a drusus? Etc. But this will however at least make me strive to make my game better so the PCs will know The One Edition To Rule Them All

 

[JeffB]

Intentionally ruining the game for the other folks who involved (who seem to not mind the switch to 2E..at least as much as you do) is not cool in my book, and if I were DM would likely land you out of the group for awhile.

In addition, it seems that your DM might be much more comfortable with the 2E rules...IME the only time the rules ruin the fun is when people don't understand them, abuse them, or do not feel comfy with them... I'd wager the 2E (or whatever) game with a DM who knows the rules and is comfy with running them will be much more fun than the game using "better" rules if he's intimidated by or doesn't like/know them.

 

[SteveY]

DF

Assenpfeffer,

Your comments concerning the message boards at Dragonsfoot are simply untrue.

The moderators (of which I am one) use a very light touch, only acting when absolutely necissary. Message deletion or thread locking almost never happens. There are many people from various editions of D&D and AD&D who have heated discussions on many topics.

I invite anybody to come and have a look at Dragonsfoot Forums.

(Apologies for diverting the thread from it's correct topic)

Regards,
Steve

 

[MerricB]

I'll also stick up in defense of Dragonsfoot.

I've never known one of my posts to be moderated - I'm the top poster there by about double anyone else, and I'm rabidly 3E (well, not entirely, though some think so).

If a post is moderated it really, really, really needed to be.

That said, there are a couple of people on those boards who display all the worst traits of humanity. It is unfortunate that they are on those boards, because they give 1E (or 3E) players a bad name, when in fact 1E is an excellent game, and one that retains its appeal, despite the existence of 3E. (Which is a superior game for my purposes).

I detest anyone who thinks their game is the right game for everyone, and that other people are inferior for preferring something else.

Saying that you prefer 1E or 3E is one thing. Insisting that everyone else must share that view is another, and totally beyond the pale.

Cheers!

 

[Dinkeldog]

Ha! I think we moderate better here, so take that!

Uh, but I might be biased.

Just a touch?

Edit: Oh, and if you're playing 2E, remember to multi-class. You nearly double your effectiveness and probably gain tons of cool racial abilities.