Ahsoka - SPOILERS

[briggart]

The pilot is a jedi. They can evade any turbolaser fire.

The US navy doesn't have to fight jedi.

It's a small capital ship on prisoner transport duty. It is not "massive", it is not heavily armed and it does not carry marines. And Star Wars has frequently shown Force users ploughing through dozens of hostiles. "numerical advantage" counts for nothing.

I think you are overestimating typical Jedis' capabilities. Anakin and Luke were excellent pilots, but even somebody like Obi Wan was only able to escape Jango's Slave One by pretending to have been destroyed by a missile. Again, at the beginning of Episode III, Anakin was able to evade missiles targeting him, but Obi Wan was not and was only saved by Anakin's intervention.

And during order 66 we saw several rank and file Jedis been killed by just a bunch of clone troopers. Granted, they were taken by surprise, but Yoda was able to feel the troopers treachery and escape, which reinforces that the main Jedi characters we see in the movies are a cut above the rest.

The two bad guys needed to get on the ship so the plot could happen, but a more competent New Republic captain would have clearly established these two were a cut above the typical Jedi.

 

[Hussar]

But that doesn’t help your argument. If two Jedi could be cut down by clone troopers, then why would the Alliance captain be afraid to bring them on board? After all, they aren’t really a threat.

Never minding he flat out doesn’t believe that they are Jedi but are just idiots.

Of all the plot holes in Star Wars, this isn’t a big one.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Obi Wan was only able to escape Jango's Slave One by pretending to have been destroyed by a missile.

The Fetts were exceptional pilots/gunners. That's why Jango was the clone template - he had the skillz to (almost) match a jedi. Which were passed on to the clone troopers. They where able to defeat jedi in Order 66 because they where genetically engineered to do so. Even so, and with surprise and massively superior numbers, several jedi escaped (at least 5 jedi and 2 Padawans are known to have escaped).

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Well rebels Thrawn is a villain, new Thrawn Anti hero, EU Thrawn both.

I'm pretty sure Thrawn wouldn't understand the meaning of "hero" or "villain". He just does what needs to be done using the tools at his disposal.

How about this scenario: arriving in the new galaxy, Thrawn and Ezra discover a massive Grysk (or similar external threat) invasion force about to attack the civil-war weakened Empire. After a couple of years being mentored in Tactical Genius by Thrawn, Ezra manages to hitch a purrgil-ride home to fetch reinforcements for Thrawn. Finding the Empire replaced by a fragile New Republic, Ezra disguises himself as a former inquisitor-turned-merc in order to infiltrate the Imperial Remnant and manipulate them into sending Thrawn the materiel he needs to defeat the invasion.


Alternatively, since Star Wars is set "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" Thrawn and Ezra find themselves on Earth in the year 1980.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

If two Jedi could be cut down by clone troopers, then why would the Alliance captain be afraid to bring them on board?

The only clone troopers the New Republic has are a couple of very old men.

 

[briggart]

The Fetts were exceptional pilots/gunners. That's why Jango was the clone template - he had the skillz to (almost) match a jedi. Which were passed on to the clone troopers. They where able to defeat jedi in Order 66 because they where genetically engineered to do so. Even so, and with surprise and massively superior numbers, several jedi escaped (at least 5 jedi and 2 Padawans are known to have escaped).

Obi Wan had trouble evading a guided missile, not sure how Fett's piloting skills would play a role there, especially given that in Episode III the missiles were from a droid army starfighter.

And in the battle at the arena, Jango, few moments after effortlessly dispatching a rank and file Jedi, was killed like a chump by Windu, which to me confirms there is a significant difference in abilities between the typical Jedi and the main characters.

But I guess the actual issue is that we are looking at a corpus of movies, series, and various media produced by different people over 40 years, where the characters capabilities are not fully consistent and ultimately depend on the need of the plot. We could pick and choose specific examples supporting our own specific interpretation, but in the end they both are reasonable and broadly consistent with the lore.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Obi Wan had trouble evading a guided missile, not sure how Fett's piloting skills would play a role there, especially given that in Episode III the missiles were from a droid army starfighter.

A lesser pilot would have been unable to get a missile lock on a jedi.

 

[MarkB]

A lesser pilot would have been unable to get a missile lock on a jedi.

A Vulture Droid was perfectly capable of doing so at the start of Revenge of the Sith, against both Obi-Wan and Anakin, you don't get much lesser than that.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

A Vulture Droid was perfectly capable of doing so at the start of Revenge of the Sith, against both Obi-Wan and Anakin, you don't get much lesser than that.

Battledroids are effective combatants. You call them "lesser" because you have only seen them up against jedi and clones, but they are more than a match for an average Alliance Trooper.

 

[Maxperson]

Not really. The only new Jedi is Grogu. And Luke is so unknown that the Mandalorian couldn’t find him.

This is before that time I think. And Luke isn't so unknown that the Mandalorian couldn't find him. His location is just unknown to the Mandalorian. Luke is a famous hero of the rebellion. The guy who took down Vader and the Emperor. Destroyed the Death Star. There's no way in hell he is unknown. He's still going to be ultrafamous galaxy wide. You don't forget someone that famous in a few years.

Luke had other students before emo guy(can't remember his name right now) came and started training. It's feasible that multiple students graduated prior to the mass killing the Jedi students.